i dont think anything is guaranteed to accomplish that, but given the choice between truth and delusion, i think truth is more likely to make our lives easier, happier, etc.

but theres plenty of people who seem quite content in delusion. so i guess its hard to say.

Am I screwing up, or am I in some kind of twilight zone? What do you mean how did I get that? Did you read the OP?

Did I?

[cue twilight zone theme]

No...he didn't.

It's obvious that he didn't read it or his reading comprehension skills are poor.
But he is funny.... he makes a good joke to get the cool kids to think he's cool.

JD, I think a basic amount of curtesy is appropriate. I would not accept that from you if you were sitting at my table and if this were my thread, id ask you to leave. Its not, so instead ill make this comment and leave it at that.

In other words. Make a point, pursue an argument and stop the ****ing ad hominims?

The Bible isn't against governing other people morally. Is the Bible true?

He's saying that he cares a lot about the truth, but that he's not so sure that it's a good thing. He has described himself as "addicted" to truth, so I'd say it's pretty important to him.

Yes... just like you did here?

You realize how stupid you look when you do things like this?

But I think that sometimes we can see what is more likely the truer path and that if we choose it it will make our lives more difficult. I think that you are probably right that nothing is guaranteed to make our lives easier and that it is probably a mash of both truth and constructed truth.

This was exactly what I was saying. Lestat, I will not comment on your post as I feel Madnak said it as well as I could.

do you realize how stupid you look? theres a reason no one (atheist or theist) comes to support you on your behalf ... and its not cause they are jealous of your humor.

Thank you. That means a lot to me coming from you.

The difference is that I don't need e-friends with multiple accounts to be "cool" on an internet forum.... like you.



(Now switch accounts and say "Yea....JD is stupid)

Stop derailing this thread...stay on topic or just pm me your insults.

What the bible is doing is completely different. Now I am not convinced that the bible is disagreeing with your examples, but that is another story.

If the bible is truth then it is not about trying to govern people, but about informing them of the truth. If I told you that putting your hand in the fire will burn you and you shouldn't do that, would you really respond "stop trying to govern me you bastard!"

i know you are trying hard to not expose that idiotic side of yours, but unfortunately when you make ******ed statements like this, its just plainly obvious to everyone that you are just stupid. cant really say it any nicer than that.

if you actually think I have multiple accounts on this forum, id be more than happy to wager as much money as you can muster together.

Ok you guys let's stop the derail, we had a good thread going on here with good discussion. Thank you.

You are dead wrong, and it is not even close.
Truth is dangerous and deadly. To live a happy life, you have to plunge into a delusion (of various kinds, spiritual, religious, emotional, academic and even philosophical or scientific, I mean look at all those geniuses in the thread looking for the "truth" out there).
But, of course, as Nietzsche once said, "Men do not seek happiness, Englishmen do."
Cheers

Nietzsche also said "You need chaos in your soul to give birth to a dancing star."

He was a nut case.

i mean really.. you're talking about preventing a burn in the same breath as everything laid out in the bible?

tbf, joey doesn't seem to exit stage left until someone berates him directly about how big of a troll he comes off as.

Stay on topic and stop trying to be cool.... it doesn't work for you.

You're sort of alluding to a kind of Noble Lie. The problem is, while it may seem at first that the lie will make us happier, we can't know in advance at what point our leading ourselves astray will bite us in the ass. Hence my comment about seeking the truth being +EV. Seeking and following the truth (as much as we can figure it out) is simply more reliable, and allows us to make better decisions.

Very nice. I agree with Aro 100% here.

What did you do Jib that you don't want to tell someone about?

We're talking morals here. Didn't we get our morality from the Bible? There is a consequence for not adhering to the morals that have been laid out in the Bible. That is morally governing someone.

Because some of us like to dream about the unattainable.



Sounds cool to me

Truth is unattainable. However experience has shown us that some belief systems are particularly well suited to solving practical problems. I suspect that in the main using them leads to greater enjoyment in life.

Depends on you. Difficult to control exactly what you believe. Some people do not get contentment from an easy life.

Also if you do not believe death is the end, and follow this to its logical conclusion then act on those conclusions, you could end up doing some really silly things. Still many people seem to manage the delicate balancing act of while believing something, nether the less not actually using that belief to make any real world decisions.

You're scaring me dude. Mainly, because I consider you to be more astute and sharper than I am. Here's the OP in its entirety...



Where does he even come close to mentioning he cares about the truth let alone its importance?

Now I admit that I haven't read every single one of Jib's posts in this thread. But from the OP and his response to me, NOWHERE does he leave the impression that the truth is important to him! On the contrary, he seems to be questioning the value of truth!

Should I start making reservations at Hotel Silly? Because I'm definitely not seeing what you're seeing. If I'm missing it, I apologize in advance. I must be over stressed from playing too much online poker lately.

[Edit:] The only thing I can think of is that I'm confusing Jibninjas with another poster with a similar name (jibanias, or something like that?) I don't think so, because I usually recognize avatars more than names.