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Why do some believers care so much about what non-believers do? Why do some believers care so much about what non-believers do?

08-04-2010 , 01:56 PM
This might be more of a psychological question, but still:

Why do so many believers care what non-believers do? If a non-believer does something that the believer's deity forbids, why does the believer care? It's the believer's god, not the non-believers. How does a non-believer committing sins or offending someone deity make the believer's life worse, up to a point where the believer feels he has do something about it, sometimes even respond with violence?

What is the motivation behind this? I understand religion, but I don't understand this. Offending someone's god doesn't make their life worse, in fact it doesn't affect it at all. No matter what I do, you still go to heaven (or equivalent) and your god still loves you. My doings don't interfere with your relationship with your god in any way, so why do you care if I offend your god?

I could understand if some religion would specifically state that YOU don't go to heaven or get other benefits, if non-believers offend the god. But AFAIK, none of the major religions state such things. Believers caring about what the non-believers think is just, well, weird.
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08-04-2010 , 02:10 PM
The only reason they should care is because they're concerned the unbeliever will not get to experience eternal life and all the joys that go with it. Unfortunately, that's not always the case.
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08-04-2010 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Butcho22
The only reason they should care is because they're concerned the unbeliever will not get to experience eternal life and all the joys that go with it. Unfortunately, that's not always the case.
Basically this imo.
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08-04-2010 , 03:07 PM
Jesus told the apostles to go make disciples of all nation. Christians try to follow the teachings of Jesus.
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08-04-2010 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Butcho22
The only reason they should care is because they're concerned the unbeliever will not get to experience eternal life and all the joys that go with it. Unfortunately, that's not always the case.
Wow. That's actually correct.
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08-04-2010 , 07:59 PM
Dunno, but the next time someone calls at my door and wakes me before 1pm to ask if I'm interested in their magazines is gonna get an enormous earbending.

And a visit from me at 4am while they're asleep, asking if they'd like to see some of my magazines.

And my magazine collection is has way better pictures than theirs.
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08-04-2010 , 09:13 PM
On this forum it certainly seems like non-believers care a lot more about what believers think than vice-versa. That's a good question to ask in a thread-why atheists care so much about what believers believe. It will probably shed light on the OP as well.
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08-04-2010 , 09:23 PM
I think the believers just want you to go on the right path and it is up to you to decide to follow or not.
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08-04-2010 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Megenoita
On this forum it certainly seems like non-believers care a lot more about what believers think than vice-versa. That's a good question to ask in a thread-why atheists care so much about what believers believe. It will probably shed light on the OP as well.
Lol? This is a forum designed to facilitate debate on religious issues.
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08-04-2010 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Megenoita
On this forum it certainly seems like non-believers care a lot more about what believers think than vice-versa. That's a good question to ask in a thread-why atheists care so much about what believers believe. It will probably shed light on the OP as well.
Because Christianity, especially variety's like yours, affects me so its good to have knowledge of it.

Last edited by batair; 08-04-2010 at 10:38 PM.
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08-05-2010 , 06:06 AM
I suspect a lot of it is frustration and insecurity that they believe they have the truth but that the non believers largely think all the believers have a fairy tale.
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08-05-2010 , 06:46 AM
Most of them think if we believe the same thing we get to go to Heaven, and because they are nice people they want to invite us too.
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08-05-2010 , 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Megenoita
On this forum it certainly seems like non-believers care a lot more about what believers think than vice-versa. That's a good question to ask in a thread-why atheists care so much about what believers believe. It will probably shed light on the OP as well.
That questioned has been asked in the past. The most popular answer was that they feel with religion comes violence ergo religious people do, in fact, infringe on them.
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08-05-2010 , 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds
That questioned has been asked in the past. The most popular answer was that they feel with religion comes violence ergo religious people do, in fact, infringe on them.
Was going to write pretty much the same thing, though the infringement is not limited to violence. Also, personally, I would prefer to live in a world that embraces rationality, so those who do not bother me. But I would prefer to live in this world rather than one in which people were forced to accept rationality.
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08-05-2010 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds
That questioned has been asked in the past. The most popular answer was that they feel with religion comes violence ergo religious people do, in fact, infringe on them.
Like Deorum said its not just about religious violence. Its about religious people like FOF purposing and supporting laws i disagree with. As long as parts of Christianity supports laws which i disagree with i will care about their beliefs.

What i dont get is why some Christians dont get this. If my morals where law and they affected Christianity (or any person) in a way that was thought of as a negative i would expect Christians to speak out against and care about my beliefs which where affecting them.
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08-05-2010 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
Like Deorum said its not just about religious violence. Its about religious people like FOF purposing and supporting laws i disagree with. As long as parts of Christianity supports laws which i disagree with i will care about their beliefs.

What i dont get is why some Christians dont get this. If my morals where law and they affected Christianity (or any person) in a way that was thought of as a negative i would expect Christians to speak out against and care about my beliefs which where affecting them.
There are intolerant atheist as well. I for one DO understand this. While I may pray for you in secrecy, I'm not one who will knock on your door to try to convert you.

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Originally Posted by Deorum
Was going to write pretty much the same thing, though the infringement is not limited to violence. Also, personally, I would prefer to live in a world that embraces rationality, so those who do not bother me. But I would prefer to live in this world rather than one in which people were forced to accept rationality.
If you find that place...let me know. I'll go there.
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08-05-2010 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds
There are intolerant atheist as well. I for one DO understand this. While I may pray for you in secrecy, I'm not one who will knock on your door to try to convert you.
I dont really care about people trying to convert me (i actually kind of like it because i get to try to deconvert them ). I just care about laws i disagree with that im forced to follow.
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08-05-2010 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
I dont really care about people trying to convert me (i actually kind of like it because i get to try to deconvert them ). I just care about laws i disagree with that im forced to follow.
I understand.

But I want to play soooooo
What laws are you forced to follow? You have religious freedom, assuming you are in America. You don't have to be an American, however...just in the US.
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08-05-2010 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds
I understand.

But I want to play soooooo
What laws are you forced to follow? You have religious freedom, assuming you are in America. You don't have to be an American, however...just in the US.
All kind of laws but its not really important what they are. Its about being able to speak out against laws i dont like and care about them and the people who support them.

Also the you dont have to be an American is kind of....i hope im just misinterpreting and you dont mean if you dont like it gtfo.
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08-05-2010 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
All kind of laws but its not really important what they are. Its about being able to speak out against laws i dont like and care about them and the people who support them.

Also the you dont have to be an American is kind of....i hope im just misinterpreting and you dont mean if you dont like it gtfo.
Noooo...you simpleton ... I mean that you don't have to be a citizen of the US to exploit the benefits. (ie.... illegals in Arizona protesting that the state wants to pass a law that is already in effect that requires proof of citizenship)
When I'm in Scotland or anywhere in the UK...I am required to carry my passport at all times or possibly be detained. Not in the US though....boy oh boy... that's infringing on civil rights to require me to show you who I am and that I entered the country legally. Hell.... we even let Howard in the US for a while.
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08-05-2010 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds
Noooo...you simpleton ... I mean that you don't have to be a citizen of the US to exploit the benefits. (ie.... illegals in Arizona protesting that the state wants to pass a law that is already in effect that requires proof of citizenship)
When I'm in Scotland or anywhere in the UK...I am required to carry my passport at all times or possibly be detained. Not in the US though....boy oh boy... that's infringing on civil rights to require me to show you who I am and that I entered the country legally. Hell.... we even let Howard in the US for a while.
Oh ok...sorry im a little prickly on the gtfo if you dont like it stuff because it goes against just about everything the US stands for.
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08-05-2010 , 12:57 PM
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Oh ok...sorry im a little prickly on the gtfo if you dont like it stuff because it goes against just about everything the US stands for.
I know... you already ripped my head off once for making that statement.

In my defense though...I wasn't really saying gtfo...was just thinking that if the laws of a land made someone so miserable...perhaps they might be happier somewhere else.

Now...back on topic.
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08-05-2010 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds
I know... you already ripped my head off once for making that statement.

In my defense though...I wasn't really saying gtfo...was just thinking that if the laws of a land made someone so miserable...perhaps they might be happier somewhere else.

Now...back on topic.
Im not miserable. I just disagree with some of the laws of my country like most people do.
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08-05-2010 , 01:16 PM
This might have been said before, but

The thread should not be about why religious care about the non-religious, but why do some people care about what other people do. Every area of people have "these" people pushing their agenda. theist and atheist and everyone in between.

The answer is many reasons. Some because they think people will be better off if they listened to them and they care about other people, and some just for arrogant reasons and they think they are just smarter than everyone. There are hosts of reasons.
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08-05-2010 , 01:22 PM
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Im not miserable. I just disagree with some of the laws of my country like most people do.
Not you specifically.... in general.
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