Exactly where I left it.

All the big leaders didn't make the same claim.

I don't want to derail the discussion.

Just pointing out the claims aren't the same.

obviously evil is winning. which is why christianity exists. if good was winning, there would be no need for christian faith, and existence of jesus. if good is winning, there would be no evil. its not a contest like basketball.

Why specifically say Christian faith and Jesus? Do Jesus and Christianity have a monopoly on all that is good??

i really dont need to or feel like arguing with u.

nonetheless, its b/c the puzzle fits in the christian faith. islam/ judaism all branched from christianity. judaism is still waiting for a "messiah" when in their own beliefs (old testament) it was told that a messiah will come, but everyone will reject him/her.

Considering what I meant when I posted, your reply is funny. Believe it or not, I never had other religions in mind. It was weird that you felt Christianity is necessary for everything that is good in this world, religious or not.

Don't want to spoil your party or anything but I'm pretty sure Jesus had a mother and father, namely, Mary and Joseph. This may put a spanner in the works when it comes to this outlandish claim of his and I believe it is recorded in the NT (John 6: 41,60,66 (NIV)) that he lost many of his disciples as a result of this. Pretty sure this was a slip up on Jebus' part.

How big of a deal would it be to Christians if THEORETICALLY SPEAKING, we discovered that Jesus was a prophet instead of ... idk the word, but what Christians believe him to be. Im just wondering, would that be horrible to the faith? Would it be a huge deal, or a small deal? Would love to hear opinions just out of curiosity.

no it is not necessary for everything that is good, bc we have a thing called a conscience, and our conscience never tells us to do something that is bad. but on the other hand, it would be way too burdensome for us to ALWAYS follow our conscience.

Jesus is the heartbeat of Christianity. Jesus ressurecting is what the focus is on in terms of importance. If we found out that He was a prophet then most likely the ressurection would not be accurate.

This is your personal opinion. Please be careful, you sound like you are trying to speak for Christians as a whole here. I have Christian friends here in the UK who do not believe the resurrection is a factual account.

But his quotes are so powerfull and deep that I dont see them losing any meaning whatsoever if this were the case...

But why was the ressurection of such importance? Would he want us, in your opinion, to be more focused on weather or not the ressurection was true or false or think about / pratice what he taught?

1) Not every human has a conscience, and 2) Consciences differ greatly from person to person, so what you're saying about innate goodness doesn't quite hold true in practice.

Your on your own with this.

Actually, I was.

1 Corinthians 15:14-19

"And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied."

"If Christ has not been raised from the dead your faith is futile and you are still in your sins (and) those also who have died in Christ have perished."

Just think of it—if Jesus Christ has not been raised from the dead, so the argument goes, the hem of every other doctrine unravels like a cheap dress. "If Jesus Christ has not been raised your faith is futile . . ." If Jesus Christ has not been raised from the dead the towering comfort usually associated with God’s foreknowledge, predestination, and calling is a cruel joke without a punch line. Without Jesus’ resurrection from the dead the incarnation is a papier-mâché crèche, the miracles stories are smoke and mirrors, and our best Holy Spirit doctrine is "a sound and fury signifying nothing!" If Jesus Christ has not been raised from the dead, you can junk the ecumenical creeds, write off the reformation as the will to power, and call our keenest eschatological hopes a crap shoot. If Jesus Christ has not been raised from the dead our practices are foolish, our services a waste of time, and all the best gospel songs screech like fingernails on a chalkboard. If Jesus Christ has not been raised from the dead . . . Actually Paul says it best, "If for this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are among all people most to be pitied!"

Well he wasn't raised from the dead so UL.