It would also be answering questions he didn't ask.

Perhaps one could take a stab at the meaning from the context it was used, but I had no idea what it meant. That's why I did in fact google it beforehand. I'm sorry you didn't like my lighthearted comment that apparently caused you some irritation, in the future I'll try to make sure not cause you such distress!


A couple of things:
i) If you want to "call bs" on my experiences that's up to you, but perhaps you could do me the courtesy of clarifying whether you think I am wrong about my own experiences, or if I am just lying about them?
ii) If you are basing your conclusion in some part on your impotent searching skills, rather than perhaps some form of prejudice (perhaps you took personal offense when I called the phrase a menacing Christian slogan), allow me to help. A big clue would be that none of your results even include the verse in question ("every knee shall bow").

Since you are a smart and well-educated guy, I think its more likely that you couldn't be bothered to search adequately, which is bordering on dishonesty.

Even disregarding that I was originally referring to comments in videos or audio (perhaps I should have said 'heard' instead of 'seen', but I was not expecting my experiences to be called bs), if you google something more appropriate, say "every knee iron rod" then just on the first page I found the following:

1st hit on page
But this forced submission, in which every knee will be forced to bow, and every tongue be forced to confess, will be very different from the drawing of men's hearts which will be progressing at the same time
(link)

4th hit on page
For the day of judgement will come, and if you do not kneel a rod of iron will break your knees. Found guilty. A rod of iron will break your knees. Found Guilty.
(link)

7th hit on page
FIVE DIVINE DECLARATIONS
NO. 2793
A SERMON INTENDED FOR READING ON LORD’S-DAY, AUGUST 24, 1902.
DELIVERED BY C. H. SPURGEON,
AT THE METROPOLITAN TABERNACLE, NEWINGTO

It is true that there are two ways in which men shall be made to bow the knee before God. Some of them will bow unwillingly when they shall feel the weight of His iron rod. Others shall bow joyfully before Him when they shall feel the power of His Grace.
(link)

8th hit on page
EVERY knee wiill bow my friend. His elect will willingly bow whereas as the wicked will have their knees smashed by God with His iron rod that He will rule with.
(link)

But as you declared, I'm probably mistaken or lying.

Sure, why do that when you're already busy not answering a question I did ask.



btw, I just want to briefly explain why I even bothered with this reply: I had thought you were one of the more helpful contributors to RGT no matter who was asking, and even if the questions were fairly basic (from your own perspective). I'm not entirely sure if I was just wrong about this, or if you have just started to become as obnoxious as [certain other posters] can be when they're in an off topic rant (clarification: [certain other posters] are only obnoxious in those rants...mostly!).

Edited out [certain other posters] name, since that wasn't very fair!

Not really.

Fair enough. I was probably overreacting. It was not a matter of basic question but of - what I perceived - dumb question poorly phrased. Let's switch a few terms:

Suppose I walz into politics with that line - what do you think will happen?

Given that you cited a FB-page, a sermon from 1902 and what seems to be an evangelical online university, I'm pretty sure you could've made the appropriate judgement yourself, or phrased the question in a different way.

Feel free to show where both posts ask the same questions.

It's allegorical.

BF,

Not saying your experience is BS, but I have never heard a Christian talk about knee smashing in reference to that Bible verse. Usually people say either we will bow our knee voluntarily in this life or once we die we will be forced to bow the knee before Christ.... something to that effect.

I always thought of it more in a sense of awe and wonder of what Christ is like in the after life. Not like "hey welcome to the afterlife get down b****"... like for a prison style beat down.

iirc the first time I heard the phrase was in a Sye Ten B video and he used the same or similar words (perhaps 'breaking' instead of 'smashing'). It is certainly likely that the types of Christian apologist videos I watch and those that use this particular phrase correlate highly. I don't recall hearing the original phrase from 'average Christians', so obv would not have heard the 'kneecapping' version from them. I'd be quite surprised if this came up from one Christian to another, in the same way that being told constantly you were hellbound is a less common experience for a typical Christian as for a typical atheist.

But thanks for not calling me a bull****ter

Classy. A feint that you might be offering a token take-back, only to make a poorly disguised insult instead. Don't worry about bothering to explain yourself, or something productive like that.


The Bible does say God rules with a rod of iron. The Bible does say that even those that are unwilling will bend their knees. My question: is the phrase I asked about included or alluded to elsewhere in the Bible, or was that blank filled in by [certain] Christians based on their interpretation? Dumb question, apparently, despite there being plenty of Bible passages much worse than being kneecapped (and for this reason I can't go along with your Politics example). The number of matches on 'iron rod' make searching fruitless, so I thought I'd, you know, ask the experts. My mistake I guess.

Perhaps you took issue with the phrase "another menacing Christian slogan". Do you disagree that it is menacing? What about "God hates f*gs", is that not a menacing Christian slogan? Would you think I was accusing you of holding such a position if I brought it up? Because that seems to be at least part of the problem, from what I can tell, you taking the argument as a personal insult.

If it makes any difference, I asked the question in good faith. Yes, I consider it a despicable phrase, whether it is Biblical, Biblical-ish, or made up by particularly mean spirited Christians from between-the-lines-scripture. I just wanted to know if it was 'official' or not.

I think he was necessary as a man because back then the only holy people were Kings, and God wanted people to see that he was different than all the Kings. The idea most people think of when they thought of a God was someone who was filthy rich, super powerful, etc etc. I think God wanted to show mankind that he was just like (in a way) the population so that people would believe in him. I think he wanted all people, especially the poor, to understand that he wasn't a tyrant, but a compassionate God. I think he wanted people to see that you don't have to be a King full of riches to be a God. I'm guessing that Kings back in the day didn't care one bit over most of the poor people they had rule over. And if God was the same as these Kings, how would the poor come to believe that He cared about them?

I have trouble expressing thoughts in my head but I hope this helps.