Some additional people/writings who all defended the Trinity prior to AD 300:

Approximate dates:

AD 96 Clement, the 3rd bishop of Rome
AD 90-100 The Teachings of the 12 Apostles, the "Didache"
AD 90 Ignatius, bishop of Antioch
AD 155 Justin Martyr, great Christian writer
AD 168 Theophilus, the sixth bishop of Antioch (included in quote above)
AD 177 Athenagoras, theologian
AD 180 Iraneus, bishop of Lyons
AD 197 Tertullian, early church leader
AD 264 Gregory Thamaturgus, early church leader

Unique Traits of God shared by Jesus Christ:

Creation is "the work of his hands";
God: Gen. 1:1, Psalm 102:25, Isaiah 44:24
Jesus: John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, Hebrews 1:2,10

"The first and the last"
God: Isaiah 44:6
Jesus: Revelation 1:17; 22:13

"Lord of lords"
God: Deut. 10:17, Psalm 136:3
Jesus: 1 Timothy 6:15; Revelation 17:14; 19:16

Unchanging and eternal
God: Psalms 90:2, 102:26, 27; Malachi 3:6
Jesus: John 8:58, Col. 1:17, Hebrews 1:11, 12, 13:8

Judge of all people
God: Gen. 18:25; Psalms 94:2, 96:13, 98:9
Jesus: John 5:22, Acts 17:31, 2 Cor. 5:10, 2 Tim 4:1

Only Savior, no other God can save:
God: Isaiah 43:11, 45:21, 22, Hosea 13:4

Savior of the world; no salvation apart from him
Jesus: John 4:42, Acts 4:12, Titus 2:13, 1 John 4:14

Redeems from their sins a people for his own possession
God: Exodus 19:5, Psalm 130:7, 8, Ezekiel 37:23
Jesus: Titus 2:14

Hears and answers prayers of those who call on him
God: Psalm 86:5-8; Isaiah 55:6, 7, Jeremiah 33:3, Joel 2:32
Jesus: John 14:14, Romans 10:12, 13, 1 Cor. 1:2, 2 Cor. 12:8, 9

Only God has divine glory:
God: Isaiah 42:8, 48:11
Jesus has divine glory: John 17:5

Worshipped by angels
God: Psalm 97:7
Jesus: Hebrews 1:6

You may want to read my post with the scriptures showing Jesus Christ and HaShem's similar traits, post #152, and check the passages.

If divinity doesn't tie the OT and NT together then what does?

Didn't Thomas say "My lord and my God"? (Jn 20:28)

I think the Mormons have you beat in that regard.

I did not state that it does not matter; you aren't interpreting words correctly. I stated that belief or nonbelief in this doctrine is not as important as the other two beliefs mentioned. Before we lose sight of the forest when examining a tree, most important of all is what Yeshua stated as the summary of the Torah: 1) that one should love Hashem ( "G-d" ) with all of one's being and 2) the "golden rule" that one love one's "neighbor" as oneself - to the extent of even praying for one's enemies.

What matters most is believing and trusting in Yeshua the Messiah:

"For G-d so loved the world that He gave His unique Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life." ( Jn 3:16 NASB variant reading )

Being united with "Christ Jesus", the Living Word, is more important spiritually for human beings and "the Word" was from the beginning with "G-d".

What you've stated are commonly held beliefs of nontrinitarians, but the majority of Roman Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox scholars and clergy would not only disagree, but they have reasons to believe that the doctrine of the Trinity is "correct" and essential to the faith. It doesn't matter where an idea originates, it only matters if the idea is correct and relevant. Sure, Roman authority had some responsibility in the crucifixion of Yeshua, but it was really the Sanhedrin that had the power and influence to make the crucifixion a reality; some believers would also state that all of humanity was responsible for the crucifixion of the Messiah.

I am also against many of the teachings of Roman Catholicism and Protestantism, especially the structural supersessionism pervasive in "Christian thought".

That may have been the case, but I've read from other sources that these so-called "trinities" weren't often treated as "one g-d" as "three persons"; if anything, most of what this shows is the almost ubiquitous polytheism that existed.

Well, you should take that "Jehovah" out and rip it out of almost every instance and instead use a much better transliteration "YHWH" or if you happen to sing the Shema, "Adonai" is more appropriate. Have you ever thought that "Jehovah" may not only be a poor translation, but be in reality, a "false god"? If you go to the original Hebrew, or better yet, ask any Jew fluent in Hebrew, especially one who translates Hebrew into English, he/she wouldn't render the Tetragrammaton as "Jehovah". Also, if anything, you should not use "Jehovah" because you really don't want to give the impression that you're getting any teaching from "Jehovah's Witnesses" or the various corporations of "Jehovah Witnesses". One really obvious issue ( that even atheists/agostics see as "wrong" ) is the "false law" of the rejection of blood transfusions by Jehovah's Witnesses: why don't they simply take the words of the Living Word, Yeshua HaMashiach to heart when he was healing on the Shabbat:

Luke 6:9 (NASB)

And Jesus said to them, "I ask you, is it lawful to do good or to do harm on the Sabbath, to save a life or to destroy it?"

If you haven't left the "Jehovah's Witnesses", I would urge you to leave simply because of the false teaching and some would say, the false prophecies. Don't take my word for it - investigate this yourself!


I believe that Hashem is merciful and gracious, not willing to let anyone perish, especially not letting anyone who trusts in "Christ Jesus" perish, even if some of what they believe is "incorrect".

As mentioned, I am not Trinitarian, but I'm quite sure some Trinitarian clergy and New Testament scholars have good reasons for their theology; I'm even more sure that "G-d" is quite forgiving if they have false ideas or doctrines, especially if they "love G-d and love their neighbor". The tenor that I get from your writing is the exclusivity of the "Good News" or the "gospel of grace" that truly saves. In reality, there is no exclusivity: belief in Yeshua the Messiah and following him is what counts; not whether you belong to a specific religious denomination or whether you believe in the doctrine of the Trinity or not. The "right to become sons and daughters of G-d" is 1) not from natural descent; nor 2) from human decision; nor 3) a husband's will, but from being "born of G-d" or "born from above" or "born from the Spirit of G-d".

Yeshua HaMashiach is not really independent: think about some of his words from the gospel of John, especially:

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Jesus’ Equality with God ( NASB Jn 5:18-24 )

¹⁸ For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.

¹⁹ Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever ^[e]the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner. ²⁰ For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself is doing; and the Father will show Him greater works than these, so that you will marvel. ²¹ For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes. ²² For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son, ²³ so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

²⁴ “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

Footnote:

e. Lit that One

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The sacrifice of "the Lord Jesus Christ" is for all mankind, for all are short of the "glory of G-d", not just for the elect, as some Calvinists believe. His sacrifice for the propitiation of sins is for every human being, whether you believe in the Trinity or not.

Yeshua is the mediator between "G-d" and all of mankind.

Just because salvation is for all mankind, does not mean it is received by all mankind.

Ye, cos wizard-50 doesnt want just anyone in his exclusive club, if everyone is saved, it means hes not special any more.

It wasn't received by all mankind.

"He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God — 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God." (John 1:10-13, NIV)

Whether or not someone feels "special" isn't the point.

Is it necessarily selfish to save oneself when you're saving yourself can impact whether or not others are saved?

People like to say families impact people in their beliefs. They do. People always impact other people for good or for evil in their beliefs and in their actions. People are role models.

I feel blessed! (Mt 5:11) [ Maybe it's better that in future, I run into more Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons for a great reward! ] BTW, did you know that a famous "religious Pharisee of Jesus' time" wrote the "book of Colossians" that you quote?

First let me state that although I personally don't believe the doctrine of the Trinity, I am not going to say that belief ( or nonbelief ) in this doctrine is "heretical"; it's because I understand the argument is at the very least strongly hinted at in the New Testament writings, but most of all, the majority of "Christians" ( some would say the vast majority of "Christendom" ) believe this doctrine is "correct" and not believing is "unorthodox", so one can call me "unorthodox" ( or even "heretical" as some Trinitarians would say ). The Word is "YHWH in the flesh" and some identify the Word as YHWH ( which I don't believe, but I see why some believe that ). On the other hand, I will state that Arianism is heretical because: 1) it is a false teaching; the New Testament writings interpreted correctly do not bear witness that the Logos was created; 2) it is a teaching that divides the body of Messiah or "the Church" as some believers would call the body; 3) it is a teaching that the early "Christians" fought hard against as can be seen from the early creeds. I give thanks to Hashem, the "Sovereign LORD", of what the Ruach HaKodesh ( = "Holy Spirit" or Spirit of Truth ) has shown me and many other believers in Yeshua HaMashiach by reading the scriptures in its Jewish context, concerning "the Word of Life".

As mentioned by "starvingwriter82", the word "πρωτότοκος" can be translated as "preeminent" in English; David H. Stern uses the word "supreme" in the Jewish New Testament. What you are using is a literal translation, and as far as a literal translation, "firstborn" is very good for translating that one word into English. There are some problems with trying to understand the true meaning of entire sentences or passages if you are only looking at a literal English translation and if you don't understand what the original author ( in this case, Shaul or "Paul" ) is trying to convey to the recipients ( in this case, the congregation in Colosse ). One more "layer" exists: namely, that Paul was a Jew and most of the recipients were Jewish believers in Yeshua, so if we want to be accurate, we have to understand what those words actually mean to practicing Jews at that time. So you have multiple barriers to overcome: the original language of the text is in Koine Greek and it was written by Jews who understood the underlying concepts from a Hebraic mindset, not a Hellenistic one.

It's clear from a systematic study of the Greek text that the underlying language must be Aramaic or Hebrew and not Greek. Almost every scholar will admit Yeshua spoke Aramaic and he could read from the Tanakh which is in Hebrew. As Andrew Gabriel Roth stated, you can get some problems such as people eating at a leper's home or somehow an Ethiopian eunuch was admitted to the "assembly of YHWH" ( in contradiction with Dt 23:1 ); well, those Greek words were simply a mistranslation of the underlying Aramaic. Two other well-known errors are "camel through the eye of a needle" where the word "camel" ought to be "rope" for a better analogy and the word "righteous" in Rom 5:7 ought to be "wicked/ungodly" as in the Aramaic manuscripts.

If you don't already have a good grasp of the Greek, what can you or most "Christians" or believers do? I'd suggest you look into either learning the Greek or put your trust in two or more good translations: preferably, at least one literal translation and at least one other translation that tries to convey the meaning of the text in modern English. I'd strongly recommend you put away that translation by the Jehovah Witnesses - if they can't even transliterate the Tetragrammaton properly, why should you trust them with translating anything else? Even if you do have multiple English translations, you will run into problems, but hopefully those will be minimized. I often use the NASB because it is known to be a decent literal translation and I use the Jewish New Testament because David H. Stern is a Jewish believer. No translation is anywhere close to perfect, not only because of the reasons I mentioned but simply because there are differences in the two languages.

Also, that "only-begotten" is probably better rendered as "unique" in the modern English ( I've never heard/seen that word used by any English speaker/writer except in essentially quoting the New Testament writings ) as the NASB often has as a variant reading.

That's not just IMHO, but that's the opinion of several "Christian" thinkers up to today. Even if you look up Arianism on Wikipedia or the Encyclopedia Brittanica or the Jewish Encyclopedia, if the entry does not use the word "heresy", there is a strong sense that the teaching/idea is "heretical". Actually, it's specifically the idea that the "Logos" was created and that this idea is "biblical" or at least taught in the New Testament that I take issue with. On the other hand, there exist numerous denominations or "churches" or congregations that don't believe in the doctrine of the Trinity, but in essence, believe that Yeshua is the Messiah; that's probably a strong reason why "nontrinitarianism" isn't classified as "heretical" by many "Christians".

Of course, you can read those verses you cited and come to the conclusion that "the Word" was a created being. Then, you should ask "Why do these believers think otherwise? I.e., why do these believers think that the Word was not "created" ?

ITT, you are critiquing those who believe in the doctrine of the Trinity and are only looking at all the "proof-texts" that support your "antitrinitarian position" ( not merely "nontrinitarian" ), but have you honestly looked at the biblical text to see the reasons that Trinitarians think that this doctrine is "biblically valid" ? You've simply been indoctrinated by Jehovah's Witnesses that are empty vessels without the "waters of cleansing" and are simply reiterating the party line.

Yes, it's better to believe "the Bible" if interpreted correctly, but it's even better to believe Hashem ("G-d") and the "Word of Life" through the Spirit of Truth. Also, it's "incorrect" to believe in biblical inerrancy: many that hold that doctrinal position are in danger of "bibliolatry"; Yeshua warns about this in Jn 5:39-40. IMHO, if one is to be a "Christian", one should be a "Red-letter Spirit-filled red-letter Christian" ( and that repetition was deliberate! ). You ( or I or anyone ) should only be believed after examining what the written text really states, i.e., what the author was intending to say to his intended audience.


May the Sovereign YHWH be with you.

Noble is to save oneself in order that one can save others; a good example is Paul.

IMHO, "Doubting Thomas" was not the best witness ( consider what Yeshua says soon afterward! ) and that passage isn't a great "proof-text" for the divinity/deity of Yeshua.

Trollolol

It's not?

Doesn't it show his one of a kind nature? Both divine and human.

And doesn't it refute the heresy that Christ was spirit only and didn't come in the flesh?

I think Paul is possibly the most striking example of a man that Jesus Christ re-made in his image.

Jesus Christ literally stopped Paul in his tracks and changed him into another man and Paul was a pretty bad man. Intelligent but bad.

The change in Paul wasn't completely overnight though there was a serious immediate change in him. A more complete change took a while as Paul's impatience with Mark showed and as he writes about his inner struggles in the NT.

Not really. What other reason can there be for you wanting to exclude people from salvation?

It isn't under my authority to include or exclude anyone. That is God's authority. On the OP topic, this is another way to affirm Christ's deity.

Presumably you agree with God's (Jesus') decision to deny people a blissful afterlife.

knew that was going to be your answer. You presumably think that its either
1) a good, and moral, system
and/or
2) that the author of this system is worthy of your worship no matter what

If you believed God existed you would have to believe in 2) as an absolute minimum imo.

I mean, present me with an all powerful being who has all knowledge of everything past, present, and future, and responsibility for creating the entire universe and everything in it, and I don't see how you could do anything other than worship and submit to their authority.

It would be head-explodingly arrogant to assume you know better about anything when compared to a being with infinite power and perspective. Human beings know literally almost nothing when we compare "What we know" to "all things which could be known, past, present and future."

I mean, at best, it would be like if you woke up one day, and you looked around, and you were on a smooth black floor as far as the eye could see. No matter how far you walked or what you did, it was just endless smooth black floor without variation.

Now actually, you're a microscopic piece of dust on an intergalactic four dimensional chess board. God is one of the players, and also the inventor of the game, with the ability to instantly see all possible outcomes, and the ability to play a perfect game. You, on the other hand, have no ability to see any other squares, let alone any other pieces, no idea what the rules of the game are, or even that you're playing a game, and even if you did you wouldn't have the mental ability to play well enough to win or the physical prowess to move any of the pieces.

I mean really, in that scenario, who is better equipped to make decisions regarding the chess game?

I don't believe in God. But if I did and if I believed all the things Christans and The Bible say about God, worship really is the only option that makes sense imo.

Yeah, the OT kills babies and burns down cities and ****s with Pharoahs and drowns them in big lakes. He lets teenagers get eaten by bears and turns people into salt. From my perspective, sure, he's kind of a dick sometimes. The problem is that when you compare my perspective and ability to Gods, there's no contest.

Satanist dont agree with two.


I could also imagine a version of God who would not want worship. Having someone worship you might get on the nerves of an ego-less all everything being.

PART 1 OF 4

ALTER2EGO -to- MANGLER241:
I understand and interpret you very well. Not only do you claim you don't believe in the Trinity, but you have consistently defended those who believe it despite the Shema at Deuteronomy 6:4 which says Jehovah is ONE, and despite the fact that the ancient Israelites were monotheistic.

"Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is ONE Jehovah." (Deuteronomy 6:4)

ALTER2EGO -to- MANGLER241:
Is that what you're doing? Loving Jehovah God and trusting Jesus Christ when you get on a public forum arguing that Trinitarianism isn't a bad thing? If you truly loved Jehovah and trusted Jesus Christ, why would you be putting so much effort into the defense of an obvious false doctrine aka the Trinity which takes away worship from Jehovah and makes a mockery of Jesus' sacrificial death?

ALTER2EGO -to- MANGLER241:
Spoken like a true Trinitarian. You've now become an apologist for Trinitarianism while claiming you are not one of them. This is your idea of loving God and trusting Jesus Christ? You cannot do either unless you love Biblical truth—which you have demonstrated you do not.

PART 2 OF 4

ALTER2EGO -to- MANGLER241:
Stop lying. You are Trinitarian to the core. That's why you're so vigorously defending the falsehood by minimizing the seriousness of it, while presenting scriptures that you think are proof of Trinity. You are seriously in denial—insisting you're not Trinitarian while heartily promoting it.


The Trinity is nothing more than traditions of men. Jehovah punished the ancient Israelites repeatedly for putting traditions of men above spiritual truths that resulted in their participation in pagan worship. He withdraw his protection and allowed the Babylonians and then the Romans to destroy Jerusalem, and then he ended his covenant with the Israelites and left them to be scattered to the nations. That is their condition to this day. The Israelites are no longer God's chosen people.



To show the seriousness of polluting true worship with traditions of men, during the 1st century AD, Jesus Christ reminded the religious Pharisees of what Jehovah had previously told their predecessors by means of the Prophet Isaiah, as follows:

"{6} he must not honor his father at all. And so you have made the word of god invalid because of your tradition. {7} You hypocrites, Isaiah aptly prophesied about you, when he said, {8} ‘This people honor me with their lips, yet their heart is far removed from me. {9} It is IN VAIN that they keep worshipping me, because they teach COMMANDS OF MEN as doctrines.’" (Matthew 15:6-9)

PART 3 OF 4

ALTER2EGO -to- MANGLER241:
And to think: you accused Jehovah's Witnesses of heresy. But here you are announcing on the open forum that you are sure the Trinitarians have "good reasons" for turning a monotheistic God into a 3-prong polytheistic god.

To show how messed up your thinking is, you come right out in the next sentence and decided to play God by declaring: "I'm even more sure that "G-d" is quite forgiving if they have false ideas or doctrines."


Jehovah allowed his once chosen people, the ancient Israelites, to be slaughtered and enslaved by the Babylonians and then by the Romans—because of false worship. But here you are promoting falsehood and telling this forum that the same God that punished the ancient Israelites for paganism will forgive Trinitarians who have split him up into a triune god!



Regarding the destruction of the ancient Israelites by the Babylonians because of false worship, the Bible says:

"{58} And they kept offending him with their high places [Baal worship], and with their graven images they kept inciting him to jealousy. {59} God heard and got to be furious, and HE CONDEMNED ISRAEL very much. {60} And he finally FORSOOK THE TABERNACLE of Shiloh, the tent in which he resided among earthling men. {61} And he proceeded to give his strength even to captivity and his beauty into the hands of the adversary. {62} And he kept handing over his people to the sword itself, and against his inheritance he became furious. {63} His young men a fire ate up, and his virgins were not praised. {64} As for his priests, they fell by the very sword, and their own widows did not give way to weeping." (Psalms 78:58-64)



Just in case you think that only applied to people in the Old Testament, the Bible leaves us in no doubt about what we should expect if we do the same things that got the ancient Israelites slaughtered. It took the warning straight into the New Testament--which applies to Christians.


"Now these thing went on befalling them as examples, and they were written for a warning to us upon whom the ends of the systems of things have arrived." (1 Corinthians 10:11)

PART 4 OF 4

ALTER2EGO -to- MANGLER241:
Let me try something, because you appear to be far gone in terms of your ability to reason on the scriptures. I challenge you to answer the following questions.

Question #1 to Mangler241: Who was it that said Jesus was equal to God? Was it the apostate Jews saying it, or was it Jesus Christ?

Question #2 to Mangler241: When the apostate Jews accused Jesus of making himself equal to God, did he agree with them? For the answer, notice the red-bolded words within your own quotation, copied below, which you ignored despite its contextual relevance.

ALTER2EGO -to- MANGLER241:
Jesus said at John 5:19 that he cannot do anything unless he sees the Father doing it. He thereby contradicted the apostate Jews who were accusing him of being equal to God. In case John 5:19 didn't penetrate your Trinitarian thinking, notice the following verse, which is again in Jesus' own words and are in the very same book of John. Then answer the question that follows.

"You heard that I said to you, I am going away and I am coming back to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going my way to the father, because THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I AM." (John 14:28)

Question #3 to Mangler241: Who are you going to believe, Mangler241? Are you going to believe the apostates who accused Jesus of being equal to Jehovah? Or are you going to take Jesus at his word?


Regarding the above three questions:
1st TIME ASKING.



I WILL ANSWER THE OTHER PARTS OF YOUR POST AT A LATER TIME.

With Hashem ("G-d") as my witness, you are incorrect in so many different ways, I don't know where I should start and where I should finish. Before I start, let me say may Hashem bless you and lead you through the Ruach HaKodesh into the saving gospel of grace in Yeshua HaMashiach ( "Christ Jesus" ).

You hardly understood my statement at all. Most important of all: you don't understand that you are accepting false teaching from Jehovah's Witnesses - they are not Witnesses for Hashem, the One True "G-d", but they are walking in darkness. If you continue to be with them or accept teaching from them, you will continue to walk in darkness apart from the true Messiah Yeshua and never have the assurance of salvation that the apostle John states in his first epistle. I strongly urge that if you want to find, seek and accept the truth of the gospel that saves, you will have to be willing to essentially disassociate with every Jehovah's Witness that you now know, a personal sacrifice that you will have to make ( unless any of them have a keen interest in following Yeshua HaMashiach and serving the One True "G-d" ). It will be well worth it, not only for your personal salvation, but so that you can be an effective instrument to be used by "G-d" for the "true gospel" that saves. There are many former Jehovah's Witnesses that now preach the "Good News" and also give testimony about the deceit they escaped from.

At the time of "Jesus" or Yeshua, there were no "Jehovah's Witnesses", no Watch Tower Society and some would argue, no "Jehovah"! So without Jehovah's Witnesses, how did that thief being crucified beside Yeshua "get saved"? Simply by trusting in Yeshua HaMashiach! This is essentially the idea of "faith" and the Protestant Reformation; no amount of works will make one iota of difference for one's salvation - rather, one is saved from "G-d's wrath" ( which all mature human beings deserve for their failure to act in accordance to Hashem's perfect standard ) by putting their belief, faith and trust in the "Living Word/Torah", Yeshua HaMashiach ( "the Lord Jesus Christ" ).

That translation of the Tetragrammaton the Jehovah's Witnesses use ("Jehovah") is a mix of the consonants J,H,V,H ( which some would already argue is an "incorrect" transliteration of the Tetragrammaton ) and the vowels from Adonai ( Hebrew for "LORD" ) and is essentially a fabrication. Almost all, if not all, of the early talmidim ( = "disciples" ) of Yeshua were Jewish and knew the true name of "G-d" which was not "Jehovah" but represented by the Hebrew letters yodh, heh, waw and heh. Not only that, Yeshua was a Torah observant Jew ( he obeyed all the commands of his Father set out in the Tanakh ) who sided with the "house of Hillel", taught the correct completion of the Torah, gave up his life willingly in obedience to His Father, even though he was the "Divine Word".

If you really understand me and have interpreted correctly, you would not have written such a post.

You can come back to me on this once you've looked at the Hebrew text of Dt 6:4 and given me a good reason to translate the original Hebrew text of the Tetragrammaton as "Jehovah" or renounce the use of that name for "G-d" once and for all.

Do you not know the proper name of Hashem ( "G-d" ) ? It is not "Jehovah"!

How and where did I defend Trinitarianism? I think it was with idea of love and compassion for human beings that may have technically inaccurate doctrine; if you analyze the text you wrote just before your quoting of the NWT translation of Dt 6:4, yes I defend that human beings have the right to be incorrect! On the other hand, I'm not here to defend scripturally the doctrine of the Trinity and nowhere in my posts have I done this and I see nothing wrong with taking scriptures that seem to show that the Trinity doctrine is at the very least hinted at.

I'll defend a "Christian" that has repented, believes in the Trinity, believes "YHWH" is "G-d", believes in Yeshua as the Mashiach and seeks to obeys the commands of Hashem and has a zeal to give testimony about the "Good News" and "Jesus Christ", and especially those that are persecuted. IMHO, if the Trinity doctrine is "incorrect" ( as I believe it is ), and if a believer believes it, and is also doing his/her utmost to "love G-d and neighbor", he/she is doing G-d's will. If anything, you are mocking the "risen Lord Jesus Christ" who is "YHWH in the flesh" by making him out to be a created being and less than the "divine" being he is. One should be focussed on helping human beings on living full lives in serving "G-d" and "neighbor". Taking away worship from "Jehovah" is fine because true worship belongs to the One True G-d, "YHWH", the "G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob", even the "G-d" of Yeshua HaMashiach! From your testimony, as an "ambassador for Jehovah", I can see now that "Jehovah" is a false god.

I'm not Trinitarian, and sure, if pressed, I can give many of the same verses Trinitarian apologists will use in defending why they believe in the Trinity. No, "loving G-d" is equivalent to obeying the commands of Hashem; Jews, including Yeshua HaMashiach, equate that with observing all 613 mitzvot ( 248 positive and 365 negative ) of the Torah. Yeshua is the administrator of the renewed convenant, so one should be united with him so as to have the "Spiritual Torah" written on hearts rather than on stone. Trusting Yeshua means that I believe he has the words of eternal life, not merely he existed and is the sacrifice for the sins of humanity.

That last sentence of yours only represents your biased opinion. If anything, since you don't seem to want to understand the original text in the original language, you having nothing intellectually honest to say concerning what Yeshua or his talmidim had to say. You're using a theologically biased translation (NWT) in English from a "Christian cult" ( as classified by Walter Martin and many others ) to lead believers and nonbelievers astray.