I don't think that's the problem.

Once again, I point you to the statement given in the OP. It's very clear and very simple. If you don't want to respond to it, that's fine.

Its not that I don't want to respond....its that I don't know what to respond too. You say that if some certain statements are true then the bible and revealed religion should not be taken seriously. All am asking is that you connect the dots and explain how if A is this then B must be this.

If you want me to respond make an argument. If you want to promote some unsubstantiated position then just keep obsfuscating. Hopefully then the mods will lock this thread and ban you for trolling.

No, I just scrolled up and read his last post.

Feel free to report the thread and ask them to ban me. Personally I believe the OP is as straightforward as it can get, I'm sorry to hear that you disagree.

I'd rather just hear you promote your cause.

A simple question then: Would you say God is beyond scrutiny?

Nope.....but I would say I doubt any single man would be in position to scruntinize God. Humanity would be in a more favorable position and it seems God stands up to the scrunity of humanity.

praise jeebus that im not one of stu's "grunts"

Is God is scrutable through a "lens" compromised of humanity's efforts, or are you saying popular vote determines God's properties? Or none of those?

Yes you could work for one of the others who could really care less about your quality of life. It is sad but it is true. Some of my peirs, their only motivation is to collect a paycheck with as minimal effort as possible...be more glad you're not one of their grunts.

"Apples"
"Oranges"

My claim: Pineapples.

Discuss?

concerto, the quotes in the OP are used quite often against certain arguements. maybe not by you, but by other theists. what's your point?

I'm saying I would not trust the judgement of any single man concerning God's performance. I'm saying that those who have a problem with God are in the minority...that the majority seem to think God is doing a good job.

Would you say that one as general principle should trust the majority's views on X?

Is the "one" you are referring to an expert on the subject at hand?

Really? Tell me why God (of the monotheistic faiths, at least) persists in the modern world only in places where humanity is either poor, ignorant or hopeless (or a combination of those three) and actually disappears in places of education, intelligence and wealth. What does that tell you about God? Is he a cockroach requiring darkness, humidity and dirt to exist? What does that tell you about the scrutiny of the humanity?

Cheers

he/she is "any single man". We can change the question:

Would you say that any single man as general principle should trust the majority's views on X?

Examples of sentences which do not make sense:

lollllllllllllllllll, do you have a cold? That you try to mislead others, I can understand. I hope in your private room, when you face yourself in a mirror, I really hope at least there you might find the courage to be honest. Just give it a shot. It might be the beginning of a deep release.
But I will add something:
If all what religions did say should be bull, there are only the sentences that you did chose, which make sense. So you did only chose the sentences that make religions meaniningful. I still give you the chance to wonder. Cause if you knew why, then you would have chosen other sentences. However, you are not allone, I guess even 99% of theists might not know why those sentences make the most sense.
One guy might know the answer: bunny.

Nice.


I'm sorry, but you are not writing this in very good English. As far as I can tell you are saying that God being beyond scrutiny is the only thing that makes religions meaningful. If I'm wrong you should probably repost.

Are you referring to revealed religion or all religion?

Are Christians unable to read? Jesus...

Supposedly, you read your Bible to get to know God (why else?). Yet, when confronted with something that makes them uneasy, theists attribute this to his mysterious ways. If God is so mysterious, then what do you suppose you're going to learn about Him from The Bible? Why take Biblical claims seriously when they are trumped by "God works in mysterious ways."?

I'm really just rephrasing OP here. Personally I don't think it could have been clearer, but I hate to see theists wriggle away from the difficult questions by pretending not to understand, so I thought I'd chime in with my take on it.

Any Christians want to actually address the issue now?

Mr. damaci! You already did answer your question. Do you see how?

He is mysterious. But the mystery could be solved. Unfortunately He doesn't give us all the answers at once. We have to work for it. But He has given us everything we need, especially His Word (which is why The Bible is such a huge piece of the puzzle). All the answers are there though.

Whatever it is that God intended to communicate through His word.

God intended to reveal Himself through the Bible, so one expects it will serve that purpose. God being otherwise a mystery to man is not inconsistent with man understanding God when God wants to make Himself known.

Then why are conclusions drawn by atheists scorned for reasons posted in the OP, such as "humans can't understand the mind of God", "God works in mysterious ways", etc? Why should the conclusions YOU draw be valid given that "God cannot be comprehended by man"?