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Originally Posted by Taraz
Can you choose to believe in something you know is false? If you know it's false, how are you really believing in it?
They think the Bible is very special. If you believe in Jesus Christ and you believe that the Bible is the most accurate portrayal of his life and words, then it stands to reason that it is an extremely important text. Also, many moderates do believe that the Bible was inspired by God but that it isn't meant to be taken literally.
So since one irrational belief is founded on another irrational belief it doesn't count? So if the Bible says that 1 + 1 = 3 and I believe it because I think the Bible is supposed to be taken literally, the only irrational belief I hold is that the Bible is inerrant? If this is what you're actually saying, I will argue that fundamentalists hold less irrational beliefs. But then I won't agree that holding fewer irrational beliefs makes you more rational. In this case you could literally believe in an entire fictional world and discount everything you see with your own eyes and ears. I would hardly call this a more rational position.
I already admitted that moderates likely believe more irrational things that they have invented for themselves. I just think that this actually reduces the number of ridiculous things they need to believe. For example, if I take the Bible literally I have to believe that various men healed the sick, turned water into wine, walked on water, parted the Red Sea, sent plagues upon Egypt, lived to be 900 years old, rose from the dead, etc. None of these things is consistent with what a 15-year-old knows about the world. Or I could just hold one belief that God speaks in metaphors and these stories aren't accurate histories of the world. You're still believing that God is speaking to you, but you're not believing in a whole host of supernatural occurrences.
Basically you're penalizing those people who are aware enough to see that some of their holy text is obviously ridiculous/false/impossible. Somehow this gets branded as being less rational.
Instead of talking about rational vs. irrational, try internally consistent.
The extremists world view, while deeply flawed, is internally consistent. If his hooly book was actually written by god, he is right about everything.
Whats so frustrating about the moderate, is that he sees why religious beliefs dosen´t make sense, and then inexplicably professes to have them anyway.
How can you see that a consept makes no sense, and then claim to believe, in the not so destructive parts of it?
I mean if I conclude, that the positioning of the planets has no predictive value on the individual human life, im not gonna use astrology to make small decisions, im just gonna discount it.
What it boils down to for me, is that if you believe in a religion that tells you, that there is an all powerfull, allseeing being, who treatens you torture for all eternity, unless you do everything he says.
The extremist, who does everything he can to please this being, makes more sense than the moderate, who does some of what god tells him, when he feels like it.