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What kind of evidence do atheists need to believe in god? What kind of evidence do atheists need to believe in god?

05-20-2015 , 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Westley
Because there is plenty of evidence that contradicts that belief
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Originally Posted by Westley
Well, it's hard to give evidence against such a general term as a god..
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Originally Posted by Westley
If you start to dig into specific examples of God's, such as ones you mentioned there are many.. Time-scales, Dinosaurs, basic concepts in physics..
So your argument doesn't refer to "God".
It refers to Man's perception of God and his method of describing what would (in my opinion inevitably) be inexpressible.
Yet, still attempting it using the language of religion.

The examples you give (of course there are hundreds) are of concern only for dogmatic apologetics.

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It's the whole celestial teapot.. It's on believers to provide the evidence, ideally this would be scientific.. but when you are trying to prove something that doesn't exist, there is never going to be any genuine proof.
If there would be scientific evidence for a God(s) it would certainly imply that it won't be the God of the Abrahamic religions. Just to give an example.
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05-21-2015 , 11:52 AM
What if the Ark of the Covenant was found, and bizarre phenomena surrounded it? Would that be sufficient evidence?
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05-23-2015 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Herbavorus_Rex
What if the Ark of the Covenant was found, and bizarre phenomena surrounded it? Would that be sufficient evidence?
This seems like a tautology - "If we found the ark of the covenant, then we would know God exists, because we have found the ark of the covenant." In truth, we would never be able to know that it's the genuine ark, even if one did exist.

This is like finding chariots at the bottom of the Red Sea. It doesn't prove anything for those who don't believe. For starers, the Biblical story may have been a representation of an event that led chariots to be under the sea in the first place.

This isn't the evidence that atheists are speaking about. The problem that I see, is that given the strict epistemic norms of a lot of people, they would necessarily reject a revelation from God, since such evidence is "non scientific".

Last edited by Naked_Rectitude; 05-23-2015 at 02:18 PM.
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05-25-2015 , 04:46 PM
There is no evidence of God.
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05-25-2015 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by centebakkie
There is no evidence of God.
That's not an answer to the question though.
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05-28-2015 , 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Westley
Well, it's hard to give evidence against such a general term as a god.. You could define a god in such a way that it has to exist..

If you start to dig into specific examples of God's, such as ones you mentioned there are many.. Time-scales, Dinosaurs, basic concepts in physics..

It's the whole celestial teapot.. It's on believers to provide the evidence, ideally this would be scientific.. but when you are trying to prove something that doesn't exist, there is never going to be any genuine proof.
This is an excellent point. There is such a problem when we talk about "God" because nobody seems to have a shared understanding of who or what "God" is. Even those who espouse a "biblical" view seem to be confused. I think New Testament writers had a very different view of God than that portrayed in the OT. In fact, two substantive claims of the essence of God are made in the NT. One is that God is "spirit"-- that is, not an old bearded man sitting on a cloud throwing lightning down on earth... and the other is that God is "love"-- essentially relational. So I ask is there such a thing as a "spiritual" realm? And, does "love" exist? If so, can it be proven scientifically?
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10-01-2015 , 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by CoolerJoe
So I ask is there such a thing as a "spiritual" realm? And, does "love" exist? If so, can it be proven scientifically?
no
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10-04-2015 , 09:15 AM
Water into wine would probably do it for me.
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10-04-2015 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Minister t
Bad question OP.

Never surrender control to evil men they will all just switch the goal posts and come up with different questions and answers confusing things the closer you think you are getting to providing satisfactory evidence. Besides they are lazy and can seek their own.

Also most atheists are evidence deniers....they say they want evidence but their minds are already made up and evidence usually won't make a difference so best save your energy for yourself instead of allowing them to mindlessly consume it. Or find receptive people.
This is hilarious. Yeah, nothing good came of asking questions or seeking evidence.

And you can exchange 'receptive' for either weak minded, gullible or children.
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10-04-2015 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Minister t
Questioning and seeking is very important but seek from the right source and that source is God. He is the only one that claims to be holy and pure.

Do you seek your answers from unholy men? If you did then you sought from an unholy source.

Would you drink from an impure source then why would you seek knowledge of God from an impure source?
Let's say I grew up believing the moon was made of cheese..

If I only ever speak to people who believe the moon is made of cheese, read books about the moon being made of cheese and ignore any studies, research, science, evidence that suggests anything other than the moon is made of cheese, I will continue believing in a cheesy moon.
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