I like many others was born into Christianity, believing in Jesus, Heaven and Hell to my wits' end. But along came a great awakening. I was sitting in jail reading my bible, and it mentioned that good works get you no where, only the belief in Christ. This singular event led to me questioning my existence, my faith, my consciousness.

Long story short, now I still believe in an ultimate creator, but one unlike anything that you could imagine or describe. However, I don't believe in any religious doctrine because I think it was created to appease the masses, establish order, and keep the world from total anarchy.

I have also come to believe that we are nothing but birds in a cage. Birds in a giant fu...ing cage. We just are the top of the food chain. It's also all a matter of perspective.

We could just be a particle of dust on someone else's laptop. Meaning size doesn't matter. Our entire universe that we know, could just be one of infinite universes, all grouped together in a little fish tank, where that "supreme being" gets to watch his creation unfold. He gets that satisfaction of voyerism, which many of us enjoy in our lives.

But then, who created him??? That's where the rabbit hole ends, and I don't have a clue of where to begin.

So what would you say I am?? A deist, an agostic, an atheist, or just a confused person like many, still searching for all the answers, which I might never find... Thanks...

What were u in jail for?

rape ldo

Indiscriminate Murder

Not going to say, because it has nothing to do with what I am asking. I'm sorry I mentioned it.

Like duh obviously... What a great response... What a joke u are and anyone who uses this childish saying...

So we'll just assume it was rape and move on.

This is a real helpful forum. Thanks guys.

why would you even mention you were in jail if it was irrelevant to your story?

From his post I would guess the op got caught with LSD.

Because that was the exact moment when I started to question things. I could of said I was in my bedroom reading my bible. Would you ask me then why I was in my bedroom???

The actual reason I was in jail is irrelevant.

That is what I am saying I mean you have done one too many doses my man.

He was in the bedroom! rape ldo

Chances are the reason why you were in your bedroom would have been a lot less interesting than the reason why you were in jail.

Welcome to the interwebs, enjoy your stay

You are something closely resembling a deist, and you are also somewhat incoherent.

If you mean by "good works" before the acceptance of "grace", that is
correct (e.g., Ephesians chapter 2 seems like a relevant passage ). "Good
works" are important after receiving the "gift of grace".

G-d is ultimately beyond human comprehension, but that doesn't mean that
everything is incomprehensible. It's quite remarkable that humans can make
sense of almost everything they put their mind to. Some of that "religious
doctrine" makes little sense except possibly for purposes you have described.
I'm sure many others think similarly on this matter.

Humans have many limitations: humans can't easily go beyond the bounds of
the biosphere of the earth and they are restricted (at least in this life) to
their bodies of "flesh and blood". What differentiates humans from other
observable life on this planet is the mind and it's important that our minds
aren't "chained" by religious or philosophical indoctrination: although it may
seem that many theists are "caged" by specific beliefs or ideas, the same
can be said for atheists and agnostics: it's common for "modern people" to
be positivists, empiricists or hedonists. Much can be learned from reading
literature that can be hundreds or thousands of years old, despite what
"modern people" think.

It's speculation, but somehow every action is made known to G-d, whether
"good" or "evil". Although "mankind" may be "insignificant" in the observable
universe, somehow G-d cares for "mankind": e.g., Psalm 8.

Not everything is "created": Does "truth" need to be created?

You're simply a confused theist "like many". Since you've been reading the
bible, maybe focus on what the "Great Rabbi" (or "Great Teacher") said. His
words are more important than any words anybody on this forum can say:
e.g., John 14:6.

Thanks for sharing.

Thank you for a reasonable answer to my question 15 posts later. I guess I should of started a rant about how Christians are ignorant, and Atheists know the real truth to it all, and then maybe I would have had some nice input.

Preach on, brother!

i <3 u

You'd be preaching to the choir.

I thought your post was reasonable. A deist believes that there is something greater than the universe itself that caused its creation, but that this initial "cause" does not intervene in the workings of the universe today, nor is it even aware of our existence. Some notable deists include Albert Einstein and many of the founding fathers of America such as Thomas Jefferson.

hey big pooch, G-D around here stands for gangster disciples

Not to split hairs but Einstein considered himself a pantheist not a deist.

"The doctrine" which is actually The Word serves a purpose.

I don't think a person can be saved by works because of God's divine nature. Works of ours flow from an appreciation of God's redemption offer through Jesus. Its actually a much stabler, transformative and happier condition to learn to rest in God's love than to depend on our own efforts. Though good works are a mark of a transformed life and give your faith substance: see the book of James.

http://www.gotquestions.org/God-love.html