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What happened to the animal sacrifices? What happened to the animal sacrifices?

09-26-2017 , 05:28 PM
Was reading the Old Testament in the doc's office this a.m. Leviticus has very specific and extensive instructions about the right ways to offer animal sacrifices unto me (the lord).

As far as I know, Christians have not been doing this for a long time. Jews and Muslims neither.

What would be the theological justification for dropping this practice?
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09-26-2017 , 06:47 PM
What's written on this page accurately represents the Christian view on why animal sacrifices are no longer preformed or needed.

Here's some of what that page has to say:

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Why, then, do we no longer offer animal sacrifices today? Animal sacrifices have ended because Jesus Christ was the ultimate and perfect sacrifice. John the Baptist recognized this when he saw Jesus coming to be baptized and said, “Look, the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!” (John 1:29). You may be asking yourself, why animals? What did they do wrong? That is the point—since the animals did no wrong, they died in place of the one performing the sacrifice. Jesus Christ also did no wrong but willingly gave Himself to die for the sins of mankind (1 Timothy 2:6). Jesus Christ took our sin upon Himself and died in our place. As 2 Corinthians 5:21 says, “God made him [Jesus] who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” Through faith in what Jesus Christ accomplished on the cross, we can receive forgiveness.

In summation, animal sacrifices were commanded by God so that the individual could experience forgiveness of sin. The animal served as a substitute—that is, the animal died in place of the sinner, but only temporarily, which is why the sacrifices needed to be offered over and over. Animal sacrifices have stopped with Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ was the ultimate sacrificial substitute once for all time (Hebrews 7:27) and is now the only mediator between God and humanity (1 Timothy 2:5). Animal sacrifices foreshadowed Christ’s sacrifice on our behalf. The only basis on which an animal sacrifice could provide forgiveness of sins is Christ who would sacrifice Himself for our sins, providing the forgiveness that animal sacrifices could only illustrate and foreshadow.
So basically by believing in and accepting Christ your sins are forgiven in totality, thus no longer needing the continual sacrifice of animals to be forgiven.
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09-27-2017 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by walkby
What's written on this page accurately represents the Christian view on why animal sacrifices are no longer preformed or needed.

Here's some of what that page has to say:



So basically by believing in and accepting Christ your sins are forgiven in totality, thus no longer needing the continual sacrifice of animals to be forgiven.
Doesnt jesus christ also say something about not one jot or tittle of the law being removed until something something something? How convenient that you can pick and choose which bits of the bible you follow
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09-27-2017 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by neeeel
Doesnt jesus christ also say something about not one jot or tittle of the law being removed until something something something? How convenient that you can pick and choose which bits of the bible you follow
This is a great explanation: https://www.gotquestions.org/abolish-fulfill-law.html

The Scriptures you are referring to are at Matthew 5:17-20

Christ fulfilled the Law.

(I don't argue back and forth, and especially concerning religion. Read the info at the link)
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09-27-2017 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by neeeel
Doesnt jesus christ also say something about not one jot or tittle of the law being removed until something something something? How convenient that you can pick and choose which bits of the bible you follow
Discernment should be encouraged rather than mocked.

Jordan Peterson has an insightful explanation on the evolution of sacrifice. He explains that values and principles often are acted out over time (sometimes counterproductively) before they are abstracted out and understood completely. Further, sacrificing something tangible of value is a kind of practice for later being able to undertake the more painful process of sacrificing a psychological structure (self sacrifice).

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09-27-2017 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by neeeel
Doesnt jesus christ also say something about not one jot or tittle of the law being removed until something something something? How convenient that you can pick and choose which bits of the bible you follow
The explanation linked to in MadTiger's post is pretty good.

You might also want to read this answer from gotquestions.org:

Do Christians have to obey the Old Testament law?
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09-28-2017 , 01:45 AM
If the Temple Mount is rebuilt some Jews believe animal sacrifice should resume.

Qorbanot: Sacrifices and Offerings
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09-28-2017 , 01:32 PM
Does the New Testament specifically say animal sacrifice is moot after Jesus, or is that an interpretation?
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09-28-2017 , 01:40 PM
There were people who followed Jesus like his brother who kept the Law after his death. There are also Messianic Jews who follow the Law. So interpretation seems a part of it.
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09-28-2017 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Haywood
Does the New Testament specifically say animal sacrifice is moot after Jesus, or is that an interpretation?
Well, the general understanding of the New Testament is that Jesus has become the atoning sacrifice that covers our sin. There's really no more need to sacrifice animals in order to be forgiven, it's accomplished in Christ.

Hebrews 10:1-18 says:

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1 The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2 Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. 3 But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins. 4 It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:

“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;
6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings
you were not pleased.
7 Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—
I have come to do your will, my God.’”
8 First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law. 9 Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

15 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:

16 “This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”
17 Then he adds:

“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”
18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.

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09-29-2017 , 05:00 AM
The Sacrifice Feast is on of the most important holidays Muslims have.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eid_al-Adha
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09-29-2017 , 10:57 AM
If the New Testament so thoroughly overrules the Old, what is the basis for stigmatizing gays?
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09-29-2017 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by walkby
What's written on this page accurately represents the Christian view on why animal sacrifices are no longer preformed or needed.
But why were they ever needed? What was it about stabbing a living creature in the heart on an alter than made this god of yours feel so good?
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09-29-2017 , 12:00 PM
I don't think it was the stabbing that was pleasing. It was the smell of burning flesh that was pleasing to the lord; the bible mentions this many times.
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09-29-2017 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Peter
But why were they ever needed? What was it about stabbing a living creature in the heart on an alter than made this god of yours feel so good?
Hebrews 9:22 says that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. Leviticus 17:11 says that the life of a creature is in its blood, and since the punishment for sin is death offering another creature as a blood sacrifice substitutes that creatures life for your own (with regards to the punishment you deserve).
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09-29-2017 , 02:00 PM
Animal sacrifice, burnt offerings , even human sacrifice, depending upon the particular culture was in some manner a way to "read" the secrets of the cosmos or in a higher sense to enter into the world of the spirit, before the "fall".

In some manner the "offering" as that of Cain and Abel was the attempt to "return", via inner experience of the outer sacrifice, to their or in reality our original home .

The idea of "sacrifice" is that one gives one's self up to the object of the sacrifice and consequently the receiver , or in case of Abel and Cain, becomes responsible for the "sacrificer" or Abel is pleasing to Jahveh. Cain is denied, or not pleasing, and within the soul of Cain arises a "longing" to which he in some manner suffers and also becomes incitement to creating activity.

This creating activity can be seen in the masonic conception as to being the "Sons of Cain". Abel takes the food of the earth, the berries on the trees, or whatever is given to him and offers a sacrifice of that to which he is born, so to speak.

Cain , who killed Abel physiologically, then can be seen as responsible in the arts, sciences, education, all that Man creates as culture through human evolution. And yes the connection of masons or actual builders of cathedrals, or pyramids, or other structures through the masonic art is directly related to this conception of esoteric comprehension.

The two streams of Cain and Abel , of course, continue on to this day .

There are "sacrifices" of other cultures to which the same or similar ideas are present but it can and has not infrequently fallen into a decadence of the bloodthirsty.

From what I understand the ancient Egyptian practices under this guise had in some circles become abominations which in effect, through this activity of experiencing the torture and death of the sacrifice gave the hierophant a power of knowledge to which he (they) were able to control the people through this perverse comprehension, buoyed by earthly immorality.

In a particular Mexican mystery center, the god "Taotl" called for the murdering of human beings in which the hierophant with the "man sacrifice" being bent over backwards on the alter, would remove the stomach of the man while alive ; all in the search for earthly power. I believe some Europeans suffered this ignominious indignity.

The story goes that Vitzliputzli, a man , succeeded in causing the evil "Taotl"(a spirit being occupying a physical body) to be crucified on a wooden cross and thereby putting an end to this devilish force(s).

This is reported to have happened at the time when the event of Golgotha occurred, offering another polarity in the moral attainment of man.

Things have changed and any return to animal or sacrifice of this nature is at minimal a road block to the ennoblement of Man whose moral tone rebels against this ancient activity, or that was the good( speaking here of Abel) becomes the evil for it is out of time. Good "out of time", becomes the evil.
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09-29-2017 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Haywood
If the New Testament so thoroughly overrules the Old, what is the basis for stigmatizing gays?
Homosexual relationships are still considered a sin. Basically any sexual relationship outside of marriage is considered a sin, and since marriage is between a man and a woman there is no way for a sexual relationship between two men or two women to be pleasing or acceptable to God. This is my understanding of it.

Stigmatizing gays doesn't make a lot of sense to me though. Sin is sin, we're all guilty of it. It's something we all have to address.

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09-29-2017 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Haywood
If the New Testament so thoroughly overrules the Old, what is the basis for stigmatizing gays?
Maybe because the New Testament has plenty to say about the sinfulness
of homosexuality, as well as the old.
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09-30-2017 , 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by walkby
Homosexual relationships are still considered a sin. Basically any sexual relationship outside of marriage is considered a sin, and since marriage is between a man and a woman there is no way for a sexual relationship between two men or two women to be pleasing or acceptable to God. This is my understanding of it.

Stigmatizing gays doesn't make a lot of sense to me though. Sin is sin, we're all guilty of it. It's something we all have to address.
Id guess most gay people dont think there is anything to address and think calling them sinful is stigmatizing them. Just saying.
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09-30-2017 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
Id guess most gay people dont think there is anything to address and think calling them sinful is stigmatizing them. Just saying.
Yeah, considering it involves a person's sexual preferences I wouldn't be surprised if a gay person thought I was stigmatizing them. I'm not stigmatizing anyone though, I'm saying certain behaviors are sinful and further emphasizing that we all have a sin problem. Homosexuality is no doubt a touchy subject, but an individual who identifies as a homosexual is facing the same problem anyone else is, which is sin, so it makes no sense to demonize them as individuals.
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09-30-2017 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by walkby
Hebrews 9:22 says that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. Leviticus 17:11 says that the life of a creature is in its blood, and since the punishment for sin is death offering another creature as a blood sacrifice substitutes that creatures life for your own (with regards to the punishment you deserve).
What is it about stabbing a living creature in the heart on an alter that makes this god of yours feel forgiving of your sins?
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09-30-2017 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
I don't think it was the stabbing that was pleasing. It was the smell of burning flesh that was pleasing to the lord; the bible mentions this many times.
Um... ok. I guess that makes it all better.
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09-30-2017 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by walkby
Yeah, considering it involves a person's sexual preferences I wouldn't be surprised if a gay person thought I was stigmatizing them. I'm not stigmatizing anyone though, I'm saying certain behaviors are sinful and further emphasizing that we all have a sin problem. Homosexuality is no doubt a touchy subject, but an individual who identifies as a homosexual is facing the same problem anyone else is, which is sin, so it makes no sense to demonize them as individuals.
I disagree. You are stigmatizing homosexuals and homosexuality just by saying it is sinful.
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09-30-2017 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
I disagree. You are stigmatizing homosexuals and homosexuality just by saying it is sinful.
If it is actually sinful behavior, shouldn't it be stigmatized and discouraged? Telling people that their beliefs stigmatize sinners is like telling someone intervening with an alcoholic that the intervention is stigmatizing drinking. No ****. If you truly believe it's sinful though, and makes one lose touch with God, stigmatizing it is a great good.

Why stigmatize the person trying to make a world a better place and save someone's soul?
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09-30-2017 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
If it is actually sinful behavior, shouldn't it be stigmatized and discouraged?

Telling people that their beliefs stigmatize sinners is like telling someone intervening with an alcoholic that the intervention is stigmatizing drinking. No ****. If you truly believe it's sinful though, and makes one lose touch with God, stigmatizing it is a great good.

Why stigmatize the person trying to make a world a better place and save someone's soul?
Lol like im going to converse with someone who turns every discussion about homosexuals into an attack on them and show about bestiality. ****ing bigot.
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