Toothey believes that you can stigmatize the black skin without stigmatizing the black person.

I mean, I think it's entirely clear in scripture that Christians are supposed to be loving and gentle in everything they do. We're following Christ's lead, and He is our Lord and our God. When Christ was being crucified on the cross He wasn't cursing the people doing it, He was praying for them. As far as sin goes, it's equal (at least this is what I've been taught, and scripture seems to confirm it). I'm not going to treat someone who's practicing homosexuality differently than anyone else.

Ephesians 4 says we're supposed to be completely humble and gentle.

Black skin is not an act, it is a quality. Black skin is also not a choice. Homosexual acts are at least partly a choice.

This is a true and inarguable statement (whatever you believe about anything) but I'm sure you'll rage against it, such is the detachment from reality.

And yes of course you can stigmatize acts without stigmatizing those predisposed to them. I find poop-eating gross and unhealthy, I discourage people from doing it, I stigmatize the act, but I don't stigmatize those that do it. Lots of things fall into this category.

Homsexuatl is not an act it's an attraction. An attraction some believers think is a sin in and of itself regardless if acted in on. Sin of the heart type stuff.

In terms of a sin being a sin, and for the fact that we have all sinned and we are all struggling with sin.

Or at least that it is something that is present in all of us. We are all affected by it is the more accurate way to phrase that, I guess. Clearly some choose not to address it, and I suppose some might not be struggling with it at all, since they don't see it as a problem.

A Christian should be aware that they are struggling with sin too though. I think 1 John 1:8-10 is important to consider here, as well as what Paul wrote about his own struggles.

Edit: I'm fumbling over my own words here, but I hope what I'm trying to say makes sense.

What I was tought in church is there are varing degrees of sin like murder is worse then shoplifting. But when seen through the eyes of God all sin needs to be atoned for and so are equal when it comes to salvation.

Those bastards! How dare they do something in the privacy of their own bedroom that runs counter to your Christian fundamentalist beliefs!

Yeah, I think that is accurate.

Is homosexual identity and politics limited to their bedrooms? You must inhabit some weird alternative world, or never leave the house.

There are hundreds of political hate groups pushing gay agendas, pushing for the normalization of homosexuality, the breakdown of gender boundaries, the forced acceptance of homosexuality including in the historical religion institution of marriage, the promotion of homosexuality in schools, the bullying and ostracizing of those uncomfortable with it. Hell, in Canada they even take you the human rights commission if you refuse to call someone "Xir", and put you in jail.



As a society, thanks to socialist views like your own that abhor individuality, we must decide what to tell our kids, what to sanction, and what not to. It's not just a bedroom issue. And you know that. You must be losing the debate badly to carry on like this.

Lol. You're so cute when you rage against those awful people who have just ruined your life!

You are killing individuality! Now here is how I want you to act and live.

lol

I saw this video on YouTube and thought some, or all of you guys, might be interested in it.



Again, I don't know all there is to know about homosexuality, but there are certainly people who have dealt with those attractions who have identified them as sinful and gone on to change their behaviour. I don't think that this viewpoint should be considered as taboo, and in fact, as a Christian, I think God loves unconditionally and is willing to take someone with homosexual attraction into His family just as quickly as He is willing to take someone who does not have homosexual attraction into His family. By nature, and through our own choices, we have sinned, and God is willing to forgive us. That love He has for us is in His very nature, He is love. If we would humble ourselves and admit we have sinned and ask for forgiveness, He promises in His word He will forgive us, all we have to do is believe in His Son and accept the gift that is being offered.

It's the lives of gay people, and particularly trans, I care about. Regular people aren't affected much by gay issues. Choosing homosexuality is as bad as choosing hard drug use for the effects it has on your mind and health. Choosing transsexuality - for example boys who feel like girls and are then encouraged to take hormones or get their penises sliced off (even though 80% grow out of it) - is basically sentencing to a high probability of a life of misery.

I know you don't care about gay people or transsexuals (just like you don't care about animals) - you're not a very empathetic person and for you it's all about scoring cheap points. People like you are worse than homophobes for gay people. You're the archetypal champagne socialist - no meaningful respect or empathy for anyone, while using your fake morality as a selfish tool to elevate yourself.

Actually this is not true. I needed a way to introduce the video and the way I did it was not genuine. I did think it was possible that some of you might be interested in the video, but that was not the reason I posted it. That was an afterthought and I suppose I only had it so that I could write a reason for sharing the video. That was dishonest of me and I apologize. I was just looking for a way to quickly introduce the video so that I could post it. Hopefully that doesn't sully the content of the video.

This was also dishonest of me to say, I wrote it quickly without properly or carefully considering what I meant, although I think it is true. A Christian who has had homosexual desires in the past but has chosen not to live a homosexual lifestyle should not be treated as if what they're doing is taboo. They are living for Christ and He can change people and circumstances. I also don't think someone who believes that this can happen, with regards to homosexuality, should be treated as if they're being immoral or bigoted. I understand the worldly view of homosexuality is that it occurs naturally and that there is no choice involved, again I don't know everything there is to know about homosexuality, but I believe there is choice involved and that the word of God is true in every aspect regarding it, as it is with everything else. I concede the Christian view of homosexuality is commonly seen as bigoted and hate filled, but God loves the sinner and His desire is for them to be saved.

lol. You're so full of sh*t and you and i both know it. Pretending like you care about gays, blacks, or the poor isn't fooling anyone. And it does nothing for your argument. You just use that tactic to try to obfuscate, just like the rest of the fundamentalists. Try harder.


You described yourself perfectly.

Im going to "choose" not to be attracted to the opposite sex. Will see how it goes and ill report back.

Did not work must need camp training.

Looks like I hit the bullseye skewering you as a champagne socialist.
1. Not Christian.
2. Not fundamentalist
3. Am vegetarian out of empathy - something which you strongly lack, even after your little speech about siding with non-harming out of caution. Preach, not do - the heart of a champagne socialist.

You're far out of your intellectual and moral depth here, and you know it.

Most homosexual behavior is bisexual. Societies has ranged from widespread homosexual/pederast behavior (Greek, Roman, Turkish military, some Islamic societies and pederasty) to very little homosexual behavior (2%, about in line with the "natural" prevalence of homosexuality in which it isn't a lifestyle choice and is probably somewhat genetic or prenatal flaws in the brain). So there clearly is a strong element of choice, or at the very least, societal norms tending to create and enable a behavior, for a majority. The shrillness and anti-science with which people claim it is entirely inborn just shows how devastating the facts are to the moral narrative.

Ok I must not have tried hard enough I'll try again.

lol... you're such a typical Christian fundamentalist. But at least you're giving us good larfs.

"choosing" - ugh.

FYI: "The 80% “desistance” myth is like claiming that since most mammals don’t have spots, leopard cubs are most likely to “desist” in being spotted. That’s not science. That’s not logic. That’s something else entirely. Conflation of a much larger superset of gender nonconforming children, who never actually suffer gender dysphoria, with a much smaller subset of children with actual gender dysphoria is not “solid scientific consensus.” Gender nonconformity is not gender dysphoria. Children who were never gender dysphoric to begin with are not “desistant.” "
http://transadvocate.com/the-new-yor...en_n_18875.htm

Beaucoup,
It's extraordinary to me that an intelligent thoughtful person such as yourself can get basic things so wrong.

1. Why is the argument you quoted not a "not true scotsman" fallacy? That's exactly what it looks like to me.

2. Is there a reliable, objective way for differentiating, at the current age, "true" gender dysphoria from children who just really really strongly feel they're a girl in a boy's body but stop feeling like in their late teens?

3. If so, and there is an objective reliable test, why are rates of diagnosis so different between equally accepting cultures?

As for homosexuality being a choice for most, the wildly varying prevalence of homosexuality and particularly homosexual pederasty (adult men ****ing underage boys - near ubiquitous in some cultures and near nonexistent in other) - show a large element of choice, or at the very least, prevalence being greatly affected by social norms.

I am obviously correct on these points if we were talking about something non-emotional, so it's bemusing that you chose to make such weak points because the topic is a current sacred cow due to the bigotry of the extremist gay lobby (the reverse was true 20 years ago, weirdly).

Maybe the extremist gay lobby does not like the president of the united states supporting a non extremist who wants to put them in jail. Those damn extremist asking for liberty equality and justice.