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08-30-2013 , 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by fretelöo
"f you aren't implying that you are offended by my use of anthropomorphic for dehumanizing god" wat? Sorry, I don't have any idea what you're saying.
Great, I don't know what you're saying either. Let's just not talk to each other any more.



Embarrassing.
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08-30-2013 , 05:23 AM
Good luck

I'm not as smart as I think but I can spot a spoofer.
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08-30-2013 , 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Hector Cerif
Embarrassing.
yeah your contribution this morning has been. However given that you suggested fretelöo lied about his academic qualifications you're probably just best admitting you're wrong.
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08-30-2013 , 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by dereds
yeah your contribution this morning has been. However given that you suggested fretelöo lied about his academic qualifications you're probably just best admitting you're wrong.
Wow this is really dumb. Firstly lol if you think the odds are greater than 50/50 that diploma doesn't belong to his brother or something. Second lol at thinking having a degree in theology means anything. As guy proved itt, it definitely doesn't mean you actually know anything about religion.
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08-30-2013 , 05:45 AM
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08-30-2013 , 05:46 AM
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08-30-2013 , 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Hector Cerif
Firstly lol if you think the odds are greater than 50/50 that diploma doesn't belong to his brother or something.
There's at least two professional mathematicians in this forum, so feel free to show your probability calculations.
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08-30-2013 , 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by zumby
There's at least two professional mathematicians in this forum, so feel free to show your probability calculations.
Spoiler:
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08-30-2013 , 06:03 AM
Yup, that seems to be an accurate reflection of your debate skills. Well put.
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08-30-2013 , 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by fretelöo
Yup, that seems to be an accurate reflection of your debate skills. Well put.
I was going to criticize your comment, but now that I know you're foreign and have a difficult grasp of the english language I just kind of feel sorry for you.
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08-30-2013 , 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Hector Cerif
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08-30-2013 , 06:37 AM
Just go with Jesus was God and he smelled stuff.


But i do like the idea that im more powerful then the most powerful being in existence when it comes to smelling stuff. Omnipotence is not all its cracked up to be.
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08-30-2013 , 06:56 AM
fwiw, if one wanted to make a decent case of God "smelling stuff", one could cite Lev 1,9 or 2,2. This wouldn't be subject to the objection that it's obviously a non-historic account one would put forward against Gen 3 or similar. Lev is/was regarded (at least by ultra orthodox jews now and those around the temple cult of the 2nd temple back then) to be actually binding, "actionable" law. It's only that this sort of appeasing/mechanicized ritualistic practice, dependent on an anthropomorphized idea of God, was criticized pretty early on, even within the OT (Hos 6:6 "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings.")
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08-30-2013 , 07:06 AM
Genesis 8:21 And Jehovah smelled the sweet savor; and Jehovah said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake, for that the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more everything living, as I have done.

Ezekiel 20:41 I will take pleasure in you as in a sweet smell, when I take you out from the peoples and get you together from the countries where you have been sent in flight; and I will make myself holy in you before the eyes of the nations.

holy **** Jesus christ yall is dumb and annoying. Yes, god smells thing in the bible. The only point in bringing it up is to characterize the distinct christian god's notable characteristics, in this instance anthropomorphic ones.
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08-30-2013 , 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by fretelöo
Right. Now on to the "where" part (which, just to avoid further confusion, asks for a cite).
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=just+kidding+look+it+up+yourself
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Originally Posted by fretelöo
So you don't feel like sourcing your claims that "we all know" that the christian God "walks around, smells stuff"?

Ok. fwiw it wouldn't be all that hard to find at least semi-relevant quotes...
Oh great, it only took 50 posts for you to finally come through.

Ez refers back to the basic Lev 1,9 concept: A burn offering is to God a "pleasant smell", a ריח־ניחוח. You'll find this exact phrase some 40 times in the OT; the conceptual background dates back as far as the Gilgamesh Epos (and probably even farther back). Just as in Gen 8, you'll have Utnapishtim provide a burnt sacrifice to the Gods, having them huddled around the altar like flies that feast off the smell of the sacrifice. This basic image gets passed on, though not the connotations, and turned into a set phrase. By the time it is included in Lev, it's little more than a phrase expressing divine approval of the sacrifice.

In Gen 8, you're citing from the flood narrative; surely you're not suggesting we should take that (or any statement therein) at face value?

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The only point in bringing it up is to characterize the distinct christian god's notable characteristics, in this instance anthropomorphic ones.
If you're suggesting that the (or one of the) distinctions of the christian conception of god is that it relies on anthropomorphic features/characteristics, you're beyond help.

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08-30-2013 , 06:05 PM
Originally Posted by Hector Cerif
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Firstly lol if you think the odds are greater than 50/50 that diploma doesn't belong to his brother or something.
I am willing to wager on this. I will give you 2:1 odds that the diploma does belong to Frito. If we can agree on a 3rd party to escrow money and Frito agrees to provide ID and out his SN to the party doing the escrow.

Proposed wager: $200 USD

If I win I get $200, if you win you get $400. You are getting significantly better odds than 50/50.
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09-01-2013 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by fretelöo
Oh great, it only took 50 posts for you to finally come through.

Ez refers back to the basic Lev 1,9 concept: A burn offering is to God a "pleasant smell", a ריח־ניחוח. You'll find this exact phrase some 40 times in the OT; the conceptual background dates back as far as the Gilgamesh Epos (and probably even farther back). Just as in Gen 8, you'll have Utnapishtim provide a burnt sacrifice to the Gods, having them huddled around the altar like flies that feast off the smell of the sacrifice. This basic image gets passed on, though not the connotations, and turned into a set phrase. By the time it is included in Lev, it's little more than a phrase expressing divine approval of the sacrifice.

In Gen 8, you're citing from the flood narrative; surely you're not suggesting we should take that (or any statement therein) at face value?

If you're suggesting that the (or one of the) distinctions of the christian conception of god is that it relies on anthropomorphic features/characteristics, you're beyond help.
You are completely lacking in moral character. Not only are you ignorant in something you should know as a christian and a student, but you do not even have enough integrity to admit you were wrong when confronted with direct evidence.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

You have wasted your life getting a higher degree in these fairy tails, all the time and effort you've spent and you can't even compete in an internet argument. Might I suggest a change of vocation; perhaps a job behind a deep frier would be more appropriate to your skill set.
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09-01-2013 , 06:00 PM
I feel thoroughly reprimanded.
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09-02-2013 , 04:34 AM
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What is God?
A very useful concept that has innumerable purposes. See Evolution and Memes.
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09-02-2013 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Hector Cerif
You are completely lacking in moral character. Not only are you ignorant in something you should know as a christian and a student, but you do not even have enough integrity to admit you were wrong when confronted with direct evidence.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

You have wasted your life getting a higher degree in these fairy tails, all the time and effort you've spent and you can't even compete in an internet argument. Might I suggest a change of vocation; perhaps a job behind a deep frier would be more appropriate to your skill set.
I was thinking about whether I should delete this as a personal attack, but it is so transparently motivated by fretelöo pwning you itt that there doesn't seem much point in doing so.
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09-02-2013 , 02:54 PM
God is love.
Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me no more.
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09-03-2013 , 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
I'm sorry that you interpret my bluntness as insulting.
I actually do not believe it is possible for someone of normal intelligence who correctly rejects fairy tales to have a conversation of any length with someone dishonest or delusional enough to profess to believe the central factual claims of the new testament without insulting the believer and his fragile ego.

When the lies / mental delusions are this great, there's just no way that they won't end up saying things that are completely unrelated to any concept of reality.

So my position is, go ahead and insult them. The truth, fundamentally, is insulting to them. If one really believes in the centrality of one's continued existence to the creator of the universe, simply saying you mean no more to God than an amoeba does is insulting.
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09-03-2013 , 04:40 AM
Why don't you, instead of posting this drivel, try to source a few of your claims instead?
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09-04-2013 , 02:39 AM
An invention of man to try to explain the unexplainable. God is worry about death.
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09-04-2013 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by lawdude
I actually do not believe it is possible for someone of normal intelligence who correctly rejects fairy tales to have a conversation of any length with someone dishonest or delusional enough to profess to believe the central factual claims of the new testament without insulting the believer and his fragile ego.

When the lies / mental delusions are this great, there's just no way that they won't end up saying things that are completely unrelated to any concept of reality.

So my position is, go ahead and insult them. The truth, fundamentally, is insulting to them. If one really believes in the centrality of one's continued existence to the creator of the universe, simply saying you mean no more to God than an amoeba does is insulting.
I think there is plenty of space for reasonable discussion without resorting to insults. Disagreement is a part of any valuable discourse.

Disagreement is not equal to insult. If people don't think God is real I don't feel any "insult to my ego". I think it is just 2 (or more) people being in disagreement.
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