What does morality mean to you? - Page 2 - Religion, God, and Theology

principles are a good guide for when you're undecided, but rigidly sticking to them no matter what is pretty immoral

for example always telling the truth may seem pretty virtuous, but we don't want to go denoucing people when there is a genocide going on

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05-04-2010 , 01:53 PM

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madnak

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Morality - The notion that acts both can and should be weighed against a set of principles/codes.

Hmm, clean and accurate. Seems like a bit of a cheat, though. By using "should," aren't you referencing morality?

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In terms of my own morals, which might be more interesting - I am of the opinion that hedonist principle is the only logical base that makes sense for morals. Iow. one assume the moral baseline lies in an achievable compromise between your right to do as you wish and the line where your actions ruins the possibility of others to do as they wish, and vice versa.

There's an old curse that goes, "may you have all that you wish for."

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05-04-2010 , 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by madnak

Hmm, clean and accurate. Seems like a bit of a cheat, though. By using "should," aren't you referencing morality?

There's an old curse that goes, "may you have all that you wish for."

as well as the two great tragedies in life...

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05-05-2010 , 12:59 PM

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tame_deuces

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Hmm, clean and accurate. Seems like a bit of a cheat, though. By using "should," aren't you referencing morality?

Could be that my statement is self-referencing, but morality seems like the cultural equivalent of gravity. If you assume it isn't there then the entire system as you know it collapses and any drawn conclusions or assumptions are likely incorrect anyway, because you don't have correct knowledge of how the system would be without it.

Even nihilists doesn't operate with the assumption that morality is not present, merely that it is invented.

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There's an old curse that goes, "may you have all that you wish for."

Wait...are you cursing me?

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05-05-2010 , 01:22 PM

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Sure, but if you want to describe it descriptively (with no normative content), is it possible to do that? Would calling it a type of preference work?

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Wait...are you cursing me?

Just suggesting that basing morality on letting people do what they wish to do has some complications. I'm sure that even you would interfere with another person for his or her own good in some cases (self-endangering psychosis).

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05-05-2010 , 01:40 PM

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Sure, but if you want to describe it descriptively (with no normative content), is it possible to do that? Would calling it a type of preference work?

I guess preference works better than what I said, especially if you don't say anything about whose preference it is.

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Certainly, I don't really have a big problem with interference. I'm not dreaming of hedonist utopia, merely a society one assumes would be a nice one to be born into.

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