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01-18-2009 , 10:40 PM
Money is the root of all evil. Is your argument that the money is evil and is therefore trying to mislead us in asking us to trust God?
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01-18-2009 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by devilset666
Money is the root of all evil. Is your argument that the money is evil and is therefore trying to mislead us in asking us to trust God?
Haha pretty good.
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01-18-2009 , 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BigErf
Maybe this is a better argument:



What God would you propose they are refering to here?
you should really do a little research and find out exactly why and when "In God We Trust" was added to our currency. You might be surprised.

But even so, you'll be interested to know there are plenty of atheists in this country who are trying to get this quote removed. It does nothing to further your point that "lots of people believe in God; therefore, he must exist."
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01-18-2009 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Malcolm X
UK has Darwin on our £10 ftw

so since Darwin is on the 10 pound note, that means he trumps our $1 bill right?
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01-18-2009 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Malcolm X
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hnXwgMS23sw
Here's a trailer for a current series on in the UK that would probably be interesting to a lot of people here, myself included.

UK viewers should be able to watch on the channel four website, not sure about US citizens though. There's probably some way to illegally stream it if that's what others are after.
I watched it tonight. Would definitely be helpful to Big Erf as it explains how Christianity grew from its humble beginnings. All this information is available to anyone in the forums who cares to partake in the reading of decent historical works on the subject. I often find it amusing that many "committed" Christian's I have met have little or no understanding of the origin of their religion. I believe this kind of study is not often looked at in Sunday Schools (certainly not mine). I think this is something to do with it revealing its man made heritage which is similar to and just as messy and in many ways more so than that of all religions.

Suggested text:

http://www.amazon.com/Story-Christia...2333511&sr=1-6

Not suggested but probably what Big Erf would prefer to read:

http://www.amazon.com/History-Christ.../dp/0684815036

Last edited by devilset666; 01-18-2009 at 10:53 PM.
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01-18-2009 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
so since Darwin is on the 10 pound note, that means he trumps our $1 bill right?
£10 = $14.8450

Darwin is worth 14.845 times more than God.

It's an economically sound argument.
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01-18-2009 , 10:58 PM
constantine did play a big role in the spreading of christianity. his acceptance stopped a lot of persecution. made it cool to be a christian in his nation.

money is not evil, what people do with that money can be evil.
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01-18-2009 , 11:04 PM
while it is nice to know all of the world history that is related to Christianity, it is not necessary to know it to be in God's grace. the new covenant has kept it very simple for us.
you dont have to be intelligent or well read in order for you faith to have any weight with God.
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01-18-2009 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by James 2:14
the new covenant has kept it very simple for us.
you dont have to be intelligent or well read in order for you faith to have any weight with God.

I believe you one hundred percent.
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01-18-2009 , 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by James 2:14
while it is nice to know all of the world history that is related to Christianity, it is not necessary to know it to be in God's grace. the new covenant has kept it very simple for us.
you dont have to be intelligent or well read in order for you faith to have any weight with God.
And Charles Manson kept it simple for his peeps as well...
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01-18-2009 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by James 2:14
while it is nice to know all of the world history that is related to Christianity, it is not necessary to know it to be in God's grace. the new covenant has kept it very simple for us.
you dont have to be intelligent or well read in order for you faith to have any weight with God.
Nice and simple. Just like any good propaganda.

I believe being well read just makes keeping your faith that much harder and may even lead to one obtaining their own views on life and our place in the world. How scary that would be.............
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01-18-2009 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BigErf
My next question:

If Jesus was either,

a)not real, and made up by the authors, or,
b)exaggerated and didn't do exactly what the authors claimed

What then, is the cause of the impact that the Bible has on the world?

If these accounts are false, how did the Bible progress through the ages and gain the credibility to obtain authority of Christianity?
The Bible is a sole source for much of what we don't know like where we come from or where we go when we die and lots in between. I imagine many people feel comforted having one source for all their answers.

Personally, I'm quite fine with "I don't know" to those big questions. And frankly it's a little irritating when people tell me they do know because they read it in a book. And it's even more irritating when they tell me I have to act a certain way otherwise I won't get to to where they know.
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01-19-2009 , 12:06 AM
"And Charles Manson kept it simple for his peeps as well... "

there is a big difference between charles manson and the apostles.
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01-19-2009 , 12:09 AM
"Nice and simple. Just like any good propaganda.

I believe being well read just makes keeping your faith that much harder and may even lead to one obtaining their own views on life and our place in the world. How scary that would be............. "

and what is your place in this world?
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01-19-2009 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BigErf
My next question:

If Jesus was either,

a)not real, and made up by the authors, or,
b)exaggerated and didn't do exactly what the authors claimed

What then, is the cause of the impact that the Bible has on the world?

If these accounts are false, how did the Bible progress through the ages and gain the credibility to obtain authority of Christianity?
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If these accounts are false, how did the Koran progress through the ages and gain the credibility to obtain authority of Islam?
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Originally Posted by Dominic
you first
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
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01-19-2009 , 08:11 PM
If someone 1000 years ago knew how to read, and that was the only thing s/he knew how to do, i would have to say that person would live longer than someone who hadn't, on average if they followed the bible... for sure. therefore they would have a better chance of reproducing, and making more people who read the book, imo

region meets evolution
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01-19-2009 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
Answer this question and you'll answer your own at the same time...

If you believe the other (non-Christian) religions are based on false accounts, then how do you think they gained credibility? (remember that > 50% of the world's population belong to religions other than Christianity)
I don't know enough of the other religions to answer this question. And if you want to use my answer for your own then I will accept that.

However, I believe that Christianity made its way through this world by the hands of God. Because that's the only way it could have.
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01-19-2009 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BigErf
My next question:

If Jesus was either,

a)not real, and made up by the authors, or,
b)exaggerated and didn't do exactly what the authors claimed

What then, is the cause of the impact that the Bible has on the world?

If these accounts are false, how did the Bible progress through the ages and gain the credibility to obtain authority of Christianity?
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Originally Posted by BigErf
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
do you even understand what it is you're saying half the time? What possessed you to think this was a clever retort?
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01-19-2009 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by James 2:14
"And Charles Manson kept it simple for his peeps as well... "

there is a big difference between charles manson and the apostles.
Yes, Charles Manson held better parties.
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01-19-2009 , 08:24 PM
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Michael Portillo investigates the legacy of the Roman Emperor Constantine - the man who transformed Christianity from a clandestine handful of followers of Jesus Christ into one of the world's great religions with a global reach of over two billion worshipers.

In 312AD Constantine is believed to have had some sort of religious epiphany or vision that converted him from Paganism - the traditional faith of Roman Emperors - to the new faith of Christianity. This transformed a persecuted cult into a religion of power and privilege within the Empire - with Constantine as head of both state and church.

Michael Portillo, a lapsed Catholic himself, uses his politician's mind to unravel the process by which Constantine and the church came together and questions how ruthless imperialism came to be reconciled with Christ's pacifist, altruistic values.

Portillo's conclusion is that once enthroned in a position of power, the church never looked back - and this has been a disaster for Christianity because 'power is for politicians and not for churchmen'.
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Originally Posted by Malcolm X
This is the blurb from the last episode. So it would seem maybe Constantine played a large part in it's popularity rather than the message itself.
So it was Constantine?
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Constantine is believed to have had some sort of religious epiphany or vision that converted him from Paganism
Or something else?
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01-19-2009 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by devilset666
Money is the root of all evil. Is your argument that the money is evil and is therefore trying to mislead us in asking us to trust God?
No, love for money is the root of all evil.
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01-19-2009 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BigErf
I don't know enough of the other religions to answer this question. And if you want to use my answer for your own then I will accept that.

However, I believe that Christianity made its way through this world by the hands of God. Because that's the only way it could have.
So the other relgiions somehow made it through the world by something other than the hands of God? Why did Christianity need the hands of god to spread but the other religions did not? Why couldn't Christianity spread without the hands of god, since all of the other religions were capable of doing so without god's assistance?
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01-19-2009 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by devilset666
I often find it amusing that many "committed" Christian's I have met have little or no understanding of the origin of their religion.
This would be understandable if they never read the Bible.
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01-19-2009 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by devilset666
Suggested text:

http://www.amazon.com/Story-Christia...2333511&sr=1-6

Not suggested but probably what Big Erf would prefer to read:

http://www.amazon.com/History-Christ.../dp/0684815036
But, if you really want to KNOW the history of Christianity, why not read the Bible?
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01-19-2009 , 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by PantsOnFire
Personally, I'm quite fine with "I don't know" to those big questions. And frankly it's a little irritating when people tell me they do know because they read it in a book. And it's even more irritating when they tell me I have to act a certain way otherwise I won't get to to where they know.
When who tells you, God?
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