Some contradict the bible.. what does that make the bible?

You obviously don't understand how science works..

Hahaha.. stars telling the gospel story.. yeah ok..
DNA is not a computer code, please read more about this subject before you start spewing nonsense..

Splendour at what point do you just give up. I mean like honestly

But we're just on the verge of cracking the biggest problem...You don't want to see the Light this side of Heaven?

I want to see reality. As far as I can tell, nothing about reality leads me to your position.

Here's one of multiple sites online discussing the Gospel in the Stars:
http://www.bibletruthonline.com/them...fthezodiac.htm

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omfg. if this is not a joke i am never responding to you again. astrology does not prove jesus

Although i agree with you that you have to be determined, or perhaps, open-minded to find or understand God, i do not share your sentiment so much in using old languages to prove God's existence.

Searching is indeed active and intentional as well as relationships.

Love (God for me) is like a jack-o-lantern. It provides light for those who need it, but at the slightest sign of trouble, it burns out.

If you combine love with willpower, then you have a lighthouse, a permanent fixture of guidance.

Yes, you have made that clear. I understand your position. But as I stated before, the problem is that this method is not only historically unreliable, but different people using this method come to many contradictory conclusions, which means that it is not only probably wrong, but that even if god did choose this secret path to knowledge he is an idiot.

Dude LMFAO read this ****ing link

You have gotttttttttttt to be fuuuuuuuuuuuuucking kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She's trying to use astrology to prove the veracity of the bible. I mean I am just so ****ing baffled by this incredible amount of idiocy I am just going to put Splendour on ignore its a ****ing lost cause.

What is astrology but a hidden code?

God tells people in the OT to leave it alone because it seems to interrupt their course.

It doesn't mean God himself can't interpret it...I think he can...Its just another code the world has lost access to.

12 is the number symbolizing divine government.

Astrology could be an attempt to fragment people and limit them and keep them from seeking God's power because it diverts people into trying to control and predict things that only God can control and predict.

There most likely is lost or hidden knowledge there....but you can't find it without exposing yourself to evil influences. God knows that so he warns his people against this false sense of self control and steers them clear of the evil influences imo. Also the knowledge there isn't as powerful as God...so again God tells his people not to seek it there...Still a lot of people dabble unknowingly...I have a Christian friend who said they almost got hooked into horoscopes but they sensed something wrong and gave it up...

Made up nonsense?

Huh?

You're capable of examining everything but yourself.

Most of the work of faith is done from inside ourselves. We are our own best project...a collaborative work with God....That's why Jesus said he who examines himself escapes the judgment. Also what judgment we mete out will be meted back to us.

lol owned

i was going to write something similar but i figured someone else had, and you did it very well. thanks for bringing a smile to my face.

OP clearly has no idea what hes talking about and figured i could stop reading when he said these people were serious Christians.

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It did serve some useful purposes like navigating ships by.

I wouldn't be surprised though if God decided the knowledge should be lost...like I said we are suppose to let God lead us...We're not suppose to over rely on ourselves and astrology encourages us to over rely on ourselves. It tricks us by letting us think we have a method of controlling people and events.

i agree, but as a man i suppose i might want my female counterpart to be religious, based on your description. =)

What reason(s) do you have for believing astrology is anything other than complete fiction? I'm genuinely curious.

This is a dumb thread. OP is confused to what atheism is, like a lot of theists seem to be for some reason.

Atheism isn't claiming anything OP. How do you benefit from not believing in magic crystals?

Here are some of the specific emotional/spiritual benefits I've received from becoming an atheist after losing my religion.

1. I can sleep in or do whatever else I want on Sunday morning and Wednesday evening without feeling guilty.
2. I similarly never feel guilty because I am not praying or reading the Bible every day or otherwise communing with God.
3. I don't feel constrained to accept certain moral ideas which conflict with the moral code I derive from philosophy (such as ideas about refraining from sexual activity, discriminatory ideas against women and homosexuals, etc.)
4. I feel more independent and free--that my life is my own to do with as I wish, whether for good or ill. Comparatively, when I was religious I felt I had a duty to dedicate my life to glory of God.
5. I have been able to more easily become friends with other atheists because our outlook on life is similar.
6. I have been able to more easily become friends with people of other religions or religious traditions because I've adopted a more open-minded and tolerant attitude towards religion than was available to me as a Christian.

There are others, but this list probably communicates the basic idea.

This is something I miss. I don't believe in an afterlife, or that god is providentially working out his will in the world, so I don't think that the world is ultimately just. Sometimes evil/laziness/stupidity is rewarded and goodness/hard work/intelligence is punished. I don't have a sense of peace or certainty that everything will ultimately work out in the end for good.

Now, this realization actually motivates me to contribute to it doing so--to increasing the justice of the world--because it is ultimately only our own human actions that will have any effect on this happening, not the spooky intentions of some sky god or world spirit.

Sure, belief in god can provide a comfort to those who are miserable in this life. However, it seems better to just not be miserable in this life. This is certainly achievable without belief in god and the hope that such a belief provides. However, if you do deal with depression (as I have), or live under miserable life circumstances, then a belief in god can provide comfort. Other things can as well though, and there are other costs to deluding yourself in order to feel happy. And, for many, belief in god doesn't provide a barrier to depression or feeling miserable, or can actually deepen those feelings, so it is an occasionally useful cure for depression or misery.

This isn't clear to me at all. I suspect you are coming to this conclusion on the basis of insufficient evidence. Also, belief in god provides only one kind of hope. I can have others, such as the hope that I live a good, or happy, life, the hope that I am successful in my career, or the hope that the world will become a better place.

However, what you are really talking about here is not hope, but assurance that these things will happen. From my perspective, your assurance that they will happen is just self-delusion. You actually have no such assurance in reality, but have convinced yourself, or been convinced, that you do. I don't think that is a superior mindset to have.

I benefit in many ways from not believing in magic crystals. I don't waste my time meditating or trying to cure myself with crystals. When I am ill, I go to a real doctor and get treatment that works, etc.

OP didn't ask us to generalize about the benefits of atheism, but in our own personal experience what those benefits are. Surely it has affected your life choices in some ways, even if only counterfactually.

Being right on the internet. It's absolutely amazing.

Atheism itself doesn't offer any benefits (and no one should pick a belief based on the perceived benefits, they should gravitate towards a belief because they believe it to be true).

However, I myself am a much happier and more emotionally stable person since coming to the conclusion that Christianity is false and becoming an atheist. My belief in Christianity really screwed with my head because of all the ass backwards and contradictory beliefs and teachings (and threats of eternal hellfire and damnation).

The OP and others made several posts stating that if you become a Christian you will be happier in life. That's true for some people but not for all people, and I'm living evidence that having a belief in God can be a huge negative to one's life.

So theres this mass delusion going around? That is growing and growing. How does science explain this massive delusion?

Delusion= a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact

Show me the facts and i'll stop believing.

Also people just have this misunderstanding that Christianity is about close mindedness or not having any fun. What they fail to realize is Christianity is when the fun begins.

Guilt leads to repentance, which leads to salvation

2 Corinthians 7:10
Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.

You'll serve your boss at work, but you won't serve your creator? What greater fallacy and flawed thinking is that?

You felt guilty as a believer cause you didn't understand your worth. You didn't understand what god really thinks about you. You focused too much on what you did wrong and not enough about what you did right.

Then Jesus said to them, “Don’t you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable? 14 The farmer sows the word. 15 Some people are like seed along the path, where the word is sown. As soon as they hear it, Satan comes and takes away the word that was sown in them. 16 Others, like seed sown on rocky places, hear the word and at once receive it with joy. 17 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 18 Still others, like seed sown among thorns, hear the word; 19 but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires for other things come in and choke the word, making it unfruitful. 20 Others, like seed sown on good soil, hear the word, accept it, and produce a crop—some thirty, some sixty, some a hundred times what was sown

You were running a good race, who caused you to stumble and fall out of the race? who tripped you up?

If you read the profiles on the signs they do seem to match people. I used to particularly like the Chinese birth year symbols. People always seemed to match them. Yet they are one dimensional and don't address all aspects about people. But if you believe these assertions it could come to influence the way you interact with people.

Astrology predicition is very elaborate. Some people actually have charts made....They are trying to predict and therefore gain some or a type of control over the events, their decisions and their relationships.

But if you do that you are insisting on your own control instead of God's.

I wouldn't be surprised if all people are composites of all 12 signs and some how in this world we fall under the influence of thinking we are limited to one sign. But I see God as being able to draw all these back together to make us into our total selves. The bible says if you draw near to God he will draw near to you. He's at the center of the kaleidoscope keeping all the images turning and refracting until they synthesize into the perfect one.

Oh and I'm speculating a lot in this post so don't credit or assume things I didn't say.

As I said above...I think God let astrology fall by the wayside on purpose....We are mostly in a state of spiritual development where we don't need to be concentrating on things like astrology...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philoso...urden_of_proof

try that on please