So the past is forever even now? So any mistakes you have made in the past you do now and will forever do? People don't learn? Surely you believe that humans are capable of change and new learning. Even atheists know that.

So in other words, getting me to believe in god requires me to believe in god first. Thanks for that piece of wisdom.

So prove to everyone that you changed then Eman......right now....

The FACT is that there is no compelling evidence for the existence of your god. How you choose to deal with this FACT going forward ITT will tell everyone whether you have changed, or whether you're going to continue to throw an emotional temper tantrum and continue believing despite having no evidence, simply because it makes you feel better.

I've already proved it with my recent actions and the actions I will continue to do. How am I the one with the temper tantrum when its you who have the angry words and spite filled words without cause.

If you can't believe what you see with your eyes(the change I have shown) then how can you believe what is not seen(god)?

You did not revise your position. You are continuing to throw an emotional tantrum by believing in god. You have not changed.

You have no more respect for the reality of a situation than you did before. You still believe that your desperate pleas and emotions have the ability to change facts and reality.

What is reality? What facts do you have that god does not exist? There is more evidence in this world that god exists than he does not. It's up to you to take the leap of faith. I can't do it for you, only show you the way. Your fate, like all men is in your hands.

I just told you the reality of this situation is that there is no compelling evidence for the existence of your (or any) god.

You have chosen to respond to that reality by continuing to believe in god. Your wild ass emotions have permanently hijacked your ability to think critically.

No, there's not.

If there were evidence a leap of faith would not be required. Again, self-ownage.

Once again, emotionally extorting your opponent isn't going to work here. I am not as weak and subject to emotional flailing as you are. Just continuously alluding that I am going to hell is not evidence that I am actually going there.

I'm the one with the wild ass emotions when I'm not even angry nor am I showing any anger or aggression, yet you do?

I think you're just frustrated by the seen/unseen problem of God.

But you can use your own mind to solve the problem if you really want to.

If you wanted to imagine a girl in your mind you could. You'd just pick the attributes of what you most admired and construct her.

With God you can study his names and construct a pick from his attributes.

All you lack is visionary capacity. All most people lack is that.

If you read Virkler's "4 Keys to Hearing God's Voice" he helps people develop visionary capability. Of course, most people that read this book are already rooted and have a good foundation (fundamentals) about the nature of God. You always have to know who God is before you can build on him. You have to have a good foundation to build any relationship.

You can google Virkler's site for more articles and you can also google Dr. Stephen E. Jones' Hearing God's Voice.

You need to stop feeling so frustrated and slow your mind down into pondering mode when you approach biblical concepts. You can change from fast paced denial mode into pondering/meditative mode. The more we change gears the better we get at doing it.

Virkler also has a Habbakuk method he uses and outlines in his book.

You surely have taken a leap of faith in many things in your life whether it be deciding when to bluff, or bet sizing or anything that isn't 100% certain. You do things in your life all the time in which you aren't 100% certain. Yet something of this magnitude you choose not to take a chance on. If you are a gambling man then you surely can't make a better gamble than this. There is no risk only reward.

Telling everyone that disagrees with you that they're going to burn and be tortured for eternity - and even believing that they should be - isn't showing anger towards them? Once again, you're blind to even the supposed reality of your own made up circumstances.

No I haven't. I have reasonable expectations based on evidence.

LOL, glad we can bring your terrible arguments full circle back around to pascal's wager.

And you have the ability to dismiss God in your own mind every time you use this as an excuse.

Try going the personal route and learn who God really is before you dismiss him with the "seen" evidence.

So by saying that you have admitted to the fact that holding the position that a god exists is by definition unreasonable and not based upon evidence. Good job splendour.

Well I have a lot of that kind of evidence but that's never what people really need.

What people really need is the relationship with God.

It took me a long time to grow up in the faith so I think I can identify with your slow start. I always fancied myself God's littlest child so I could sit around doing nothing and let him do everything but I think that was just my spiritual incubation stage where I was growing my spiritual roots so strong nobody can break them up.

But true freedom always comes with responsibility. So the more responsibility I take the more he lets me understand.

Right now you're not taking any responsibility...You're denying him....You want him to take all control but he won't...He tells us to search for him because passive faith is weak faith...you have to be active and intentional to have a true relationship with God.

How is that any different than saying "in order to understand that my imaginary friend exists, you first need to be friends with her. and you're not trying to be friends with her because all you care about is evidence!"

You are a completely irrational person. I actually think you need psychological help.

I'm just using my brain which is an easily deceived sense organ and comparing it with your eye sight which isn't infallible by the way.

I just reasoned my way through the blindness by a complex combination of using God's word and practicing my faith. I'm still not a full fledged visionary yet...I'm only a partial...but I got a crack of the light and I'm sharing it with you...A lot of people had bigger cracks and shared it with me until I arrived at this much of a conclusion in my darkness....You appear to have less light so I showed you a way into the light but for some reason you seem to still like the darkness...I would think about why you want to hug the darkness...Can it really be that good for you?

The problem is that the type of "evidence" you are talking about not only leads people to contradictory conclusions, but also has an extremely poor track record historically. If you do not care about whether what you believe is true or not, then have at it. But if you do then you need to reject it as it is completely unreliable.

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Look we have reliable evidence.

We have chains of history and archaeology validating the bible.

I wouldn't use easily accessed science because science/knowledge is in flux...it's too unstable...science is always overturning its conclusions....and that is deceptive...It's deceptive if you only draw a partial or too early a conclusion...

Though there is evidence: look at the stars...they tell the Gospel story....Look at DNA...it's like a computer code...Do you know anything more intentional and designed than a computer code?

Yes, much smarter to just have some dude write it down on parchment that can wither, in a language that can die out, and perform miracles during only a time when an extreme minority of souls get to witness them. Why bother with science.

Do you understand that a true and determined search for God leads to the building of a relationship with him?

You have to search old languages...you have to reason deeply to understand God...you have to be determined to get to the bottom of things to fully develop an understanding....

Searching is active and intentional...Relationships must be built on action and intent.

Skepticism dismisses God as inadequate before the self validation of relationship occurs.

yeah, the banana fits right into a human's hand and from there into the mouth. Also, it has a nifty opening mechanism perfect for our clumsy fingers.

I asked you to present me with a study that proves the above, not what you think about this...

so go on... do some research and try to find it for me...

Okay, pick one and we will talk about it.

If this is true then he is an idiot for reasons stated above (and for some reason most people are coming to the wrong conclusion using the same method you are).

I hope this is not the type of evidence you meant above, because this stuff has all been debunked a million times. For instance, saying DNA is like a computer code falls under what is called the fallacy of equivocation. You are using an argument from analogy which has no demonstrative power. We know that a computer code was written by an intelligent source because we have an understanding of how computer codes are created. We do not have any such information about DNA. The reason this does not work is you are trying to claim that because these two things share property A (complexity - which is in itself a very vague characteristic) they also likely share an unrelated property B (intent and conscious design). The reason this is a fallacy is because you are missing something linking these two properties. You are just guessing at that point.