I think you misunderstand me.

However, it's also unclear to me what kind of logic you are using to conclude what you do. However, instead of expanding on that you can simply answer the four (potentially 3) following questions:

1. Is it a general principle?
2. Does it only apply to your specific belief?
2b. If yes, why does it apply to your specific belief?
3. Why isn't my disbelief in orange teapots controlling the universe a negative?

Feel free to make an effort. After all, you do believe it's my soul at stake, so that would be a nice thing to do. Luke 6:31 etc.

I assume you are a Mormon?

Because, after all, god called less than 2 centuries ago, turns out Mormonism is the true Christianity. As splendour says, you have to be ready to hear the message before you will be told the message. So it took discovering the new world and a few centuries more to settle down and civilise the country before god was willing to send his angels with golden plates to tell us the lost story of Jesus and correct the mistakes of so called Christianity up until that point.

I assume you are a Mormon?

Because, after all, god called less than 2 centuries ago, turns out Mormonism is the true Christianity. As splendour says, you have to be ready to hear the message before you will be told the message. So it took discovering the new world and a few centuries more to settle down and civilise the country before god was willing to send his angels with golden plates to tell us the lost story of Jesus and correct the mistakes of so called Christianity up until that point.

Because orange teapots have no power. Maybe if you really did believe that, it would have some kind of effect on you. But nothing real at all. God has power over all, teapots just you and your belief( and not the kind of forces you would want). There is great power in every mans belief system. If you really did believe that then you are worshiping demons and why bring that into your life.

1 Corinthians 10:20
No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons.

1 Corinthians 10:21
You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons.

What I don't get is why so many atheists use ridiculous examples that clearly aren't even logical. Yet they all claim to be more rational than Christians. But comparing god to teapots clearly shows a lack of understanding.

As compared to what?

Do you not know the benefits of Christianity?

It might irrational to compare god to teapots, I don't have a problem with that - but you haven't really done an effort to show why except say "because" in dressed-up terms. And until you do, you haven't given a convincing case as to why believing in your god is more rational. Therein, as they say, lies the crux of the matter.

As to why use ridiculous examples? Because if you can't even defeat a ridiculous example that postulates your own logic against you - then you likely don't have much of a case.

lolololol

God is all around you. If you just tried to feel his spirit then you surely would. You don't know him cause you don't seek him. That's part of free will. God doesn't want anyone who rejects him, doesn't love him, in his family. Who would? The invitation is always open but as you know human lives don't last forever. The clock is ticking. I'm not forcing you or anyone to believe, I wouldn't want that and god surely does not want that. All I am here for is to warn you, so when judgment day comes you will be without excuse. I'm willing to remove you of that boast so you have a greater chance of being saved.

Christianity is about faith. It's not a science experiment. Why are you all using the scientific method, when it wasn't built to examine the word of god. The word of god is above that so why use a method that does not apply.

"ur gonna go to hell if u don't believe what i believe. u don't want to go to hell do u?"


this is not a rational basis for believing something. congrats on illustrating that beyond a shadow of a doubt.

It's not all about the next life, its about this life and the next life. Atheists may not care about the next life but they surely care about this life. If you can't believe in god for the next life believe him for this life so you can be saved for the next life.

I don't care what sort of benefits being delusional can afford me. I actually care if my beliefs are true or not. And, as you've already demonstrated by threatening people who don't believe, all you care about is receiving some sort of pseudo reward for your belief, you don't actually care if what you believe is true; you are just hedonistically querying the faith landscape to give you ideas that make you feel good.

Well sorry, I don't care if what you believe makes you feel good. I care if what you believe is true. And judging solely by the fact that you are essentially trying to emotionally extort people ITT, I'd say you don't have any good reasons.

Meh, if this board has taught me anything its that the Christians are all burning in hell with the atheists and the only ones going to heaven are the devout Buddhists.

Let go of the hate, then reply. This isn't about what feels good. For there are many things in this life that feel good, yet clearly aren't good for the long haul. It's not like I'm telling you all to smoke marijuana, do cocaine, because it feels good. What have I said that was not to your benefit or anyone else?
For what I have said and preached not only feels good but is good both for now and the long term. Many people of this world seek happiness but what they fail to realize it isn't really happiness you seek but joy. Since you are all rational what is better intense short term happiness that fades away like the wind? That leaves you feeling worse than you did before doing such a thing? or feeling that good joy that lasts a life time.

Did you know future outcomes always involve the will of other people?

To quote Virkler "that makes it always in a state of flux. See Ezek. 33:13-16 and Jer. 18:7-10)

Ezekiel 33:12-20:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...20&version=NIV

Jeremiah 18:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...18&version=NIV

Yes it absolutely is about how happy your beliefs make you (and not whether they are true). You just proved it. Oh, and this is the exact sort of weak-minded, cannot-bear-to-deal-with-reality-on-reality's-terms kind of thinking from the same person that made these posts:

You say yourself you go crazy when attempting to deal with the reality of a situation. You don't know how to evaluate a situation without involving your emotions. You force yourself to avoid the reality of a situation in search of comfortable delusions.

This is why you are bad at figuring out the truth. This is why you are bad at poker.

Again Jesus began to teach by the lake. The crowd that gathered around him was so large that he got into a boat and sat in it out on the lake, while all the people were along the shore at the water’s edge. 2 He taught them many things by parables, and in his teaching said: 3 “Listen! A farmer went out to sow his seed. 4 As he was scattering the seed, some fell along the path, and the birds came and ate it up. 5 Some fell on rocky places, where it did not have much soil. It sprang up quickly, because the soil was shallow. 6 But when the sun came up, the plants were scorched, and they withered because they had no root. 7 Other seed fell among thorns, which grew up and choked the plants, so that they did not bear grain. 8 Still other seed fell on good soil. It came up, grew and produced a crop, some multiplying thirty, some sixty, some a hundred times.

Then Jesus said to them, “Don’t you understand this parable? How then will you understand any parable? 14 The farmer sows the word. 15 Some people are like seed along the path, where the word is sown. As soon as they hear it, Satan comes and takes away the word that was sown in them. 16 Others, like seed sown on rocky places, hear the word and at once receive it with joy. 17 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 18 Still others, like seed sown among thorns, hear the word; 19 but the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth and the desires for other things come in and choke the word, making it unfruitful. 20 Others, like seed sown on good soil, hear the word, accept it, and produce a crop—some thirty, some sixty, some a hundred times what was sown

Which of these are you guys?

lol you take that stuff too literal. With your mindset you couldn't possibly conceive any thing that isn't stiff or rigid. You have no flexibility in your mind. Or your heart.

You're doing it right now. You won't acknowledge the reality of THIS situation ITT right now. Calling other people stiff and rigid isn't going to help you understand reality, it's only going to keep you in happy delusion land. Stop projecting your mistakes onto others. Your inability to evaluate the truth objectively is not a fault of mine. Your inability to evaluate the truth objectively is not subject to someone else's personality traits.

And this is your logic?

Ability to perceive truth and self control are separate issues.

One of God's aims is to teach people self control...But revelation doesn't come from self control. Revelation is under God's control though you can learn to access it by learning God's ways.

If you can learn self control from God then you can master your inner "demons" and walk God's walk to become an overcomer.

Is your truth the absolute truth?

No, they aren't. Emans inability to deal with the reality of a situation without going on emotional tilt is quite telling about his status in both poker and religious matters.

The truth is there is no compelling evidence for the existence of the god you believe in. That's the reality of the situation that you are chosing to forego. You just took a bad beat Eman, time to go on super monkey tilt and let your emotions run wild because you don't like something about reality.

Quick, trick yourself back into believing that reality isn't reality, reality is just what you want it to be. You can't bear it any other way because you're weak.

That was clearly the past. I no longer get upset or aggressive when people mock me or do anything else to spite me. What anger do you see in my words? What hate do I speak? Have I not learned from my mistakes? You can't judge me from 2 year old posts and act like I'm that same person without recognizing the changes I have made. I'm still developing like everyone else. If atheists don't believe in change that's not my concern.

He's just young in his walk....

And you're just trying to analyze him so you can stumble him instead of focusing on your own existential questions....You need to learn how to resolve those problems for yourself instead of lashing out at someone else's solutions.

Existential problems confront people over their whole lifetime and if you ask me atheists get so hung up on the first big problem they never crack the rest of them. Cracking them really requires a relationship with God. The better our relationship develops the more problems we crack.