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Lets say your whole family comes to you and says they all saw a ghost in the basement. But you heard some scientist on the news saying its pretty much impossible/ highly unlikely the day before. Are you going to be more compelled to believe your family, or some scientist on the news?

Such hypotheticals are difficult since I already have beliefs about ghosts. However, assuming I didnt know anything about them - I wouldnt feel compelled to believe either, it will depend on the evidence.

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05-15-2010 , 09:00 PM

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Well that is the thing, as a believer you should be fully aware that satan has tricked this world into denying The Gospel because "evidence" points to the other side.

Even atheists know this but shrug this off as nonsense also.

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05-15-2010 , 09:01 PM

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I don't think they seem to at all - it seems to be your claim that the reason atheists reject God is because it contradicts science. I don't think this is true. (Although a case could be made that 'believing on faith' contradicts the scientific method, I dont think this is the same as contradicting the findings of science).

This is something that is often said and may be true on some occasions. But just speaking for myself science had nothing to do with my disbelief in the biblical God and nothing to do with my continued disbelief. My disbelief rests on the bible itself and that i don't think anyone has had contact with God (if there is one) in a meaningful enough way (if at all) to know him/she/it to the degree it suggests. My conclusion is guess and not based on any formal science.

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05-15-2010 , 09:03 PM

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My disbelief rests on the bible itself and that i don't think anyone has had contact with God (if there is one) in a meaningful enough way (if at all) to know him/she/it to the degree it suggests.

Well there are many people that know for a fact otherwise. Just listen to the radio. There are hundreds if not thousands of books on the subject of having a personal relationship with God. Look around.

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05-15-2010 , 09:04 PM

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You should be bothered by the convenience of your beliefs, but you are not.

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05-15-2010 , 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tame_deuces

You should be bothered by the convenience of your beliefs, but you are not.

Your right, any person not fully convinced should, but i am not bothered by that anymore.

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05-15-2010 , 09:11 PM

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Come on Gunth if you want me to stop messing with you you cant tempt me by quoting my posts.

Also your right i will now accept RA the sun God because there are a lot of books about him and thousands of people believed in him.

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05-15-2010 , 09:16 PM

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Well you just made a claim that a lot of people will disagree with and it is no secret. So i pointed you in a direction where you can see that your wrong.

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05-15-2010 , 09:30 PM

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Don't forget that Ra worship actually makes a lot of sense. We wouldn't be much without the sun!

This other fella doesn't seem to give much except plagues, floods and armageddon.

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05-15-2010 , 09:39 PM

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Well you just made a claim that a lot of people will disagree with and it is no secret. So i pointed you in a direction where you can see that your wrong.

I didn't really make a claim and i cant be wrong. All i said is why i dont believe in the biblical God. This isn't a claim its me saying science had and has nothing to do with my disbelief.

You can say im lying about my brains disbelief and science is why i don't believe. But what others think or their reasons for disbelief are kind of irrelevant.

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Don't forget that Ra worship actually makes a lot of sense. We wouldn't be much without the sun!

This other fella doesn't seem to give much except plagues, floods and armageddon.

I know i like the sun its all warm and makes girls tan and stuff.

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05-15-2010 , 09:58 PM

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i don't think anyone has had contact with God (if there is one) in a meaningful enough way (if at all) to know him/she/it to the degree it suggests.

Your right, you weren't claiming this.

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Your right, you weren't claiming this.

Alright i guess i made a claim. Buts its not a claim based on science is all i meant.

But since we are pointing out each others wrongness i thought you said you were an annihilationest. How does real hell work with annihilationism because they seem like they wouldn't work to well together at least for us humans. If i become a follower of Satan will my soul be annihilated or will it be put in hell for a time?

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05-15-2010 , 10:11 PM

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I have not put too much study into that subject as much as i probably should. But based on what i know now, i think that only those who purposely choose to follow satan go to actual hell. I could be wrong to the extent that there is no annihilation at all, in which case, basically everyone who doesn't follow God goes to hell.

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05-15-2010 , 10:20 PM

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Well i wouldn't call you an annihilationest then. Because all people who dont accept God are followers of Satan so we will all go to actual hell.

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05-15-2010 , 10:22 PM

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Well i wouldn't call you an annihilationest then. Because all people who dont accept God are followers of Satan so we will all go to actual hell.

Well you don't know all i have read and how i have interpreted it. So you can't really call me anything regarding that.

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05-15-2010 , 10:25 PM

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Well you don't know all i have read and how i have interpreted it. So you can't really call me anything regarding that.

You said you believed in it in a different thread im just going by your words.

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05-15-2010 , 10:38 PM

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Here's the post so you can see how i got confused.

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I'm saying that if there is a God and if there is a hell where souls are tortured for eternity, that in itself would be enough to demonstrate that that God was not "all-loving" or even "moderately-loving" for that matter. Now, if, as Concerto argues, there is no hell, but merely annihilation for non-believers, that would add a bunch more points in the "loving" basket.

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I believe in annihilation. The Bible talks about it. But just like on earth, when you die, i think you are given a chance to live His way or the devil's way. If you are not annihilated, and you live forever, and the devil is pure evil, yet you follow him anyways, where do you think it is going to lead?

Even though you don't believe, don't you think it is worth giving Him a chance for Him to show Himself to you even if you think there is only a remote possibility so that you may live forever and ever instead of just being annihilated when you die?

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