Were Adam and Eve murdered by God?

Genesis 3;22
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
24So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

I read this as God breaking His word by putting condition in place that make it impossible for Adam and Eve to do what He commanded them to do in Gen2;16.

Genesis 2;16
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: ------This would include the tree of life.
17But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Thus, they did not lose their lives.
God forced them to die by locking up the tree of life.


This situation is analogous to you or I finding our child bleeding to death, and hiding the tourniquet that would save it‘s life.
In our real world, we would be found guilty of murder and deservedly so. I think that this would be a monstrous act by any person.
God did exactly that in Genesis3;24 by the denial of the tree of life. If under our secular law, God would be found guilty of premeditated murder the same way we would be in my tourniquet scenario..

This shows a jealous, vindictive, criminal God who would also deny man extremely vital information that man must have for moral growth and to be able to rise above the common beasts. The knowledge of good and evil. The source of our moral sense.
Our moral sense is basically the only factor that places us above what we call dumb animals.

Many read Genesis and it’s cautionary tale in a literal way and if so, the literal Word condemns God as stated above.
If not read literally and as myth, it still shows God in an evil light and I frankly do not know if the writer would denigrate God just to give us some other moral message.

Genesis, in the garden as well as elsewhere, shows a sadistic unjust God who is quick to trample on man’s free will and I do not think that free will enters into the why of the story of Adam and Eve but I do refer to it in the link below.

As a Deist without a creator God, my interest in Adam and Eve and how God dealt with them is in the morality of the situation and I question strongly the notion that God was behaving in a moral way. If you could respond with your moral view I would appreciate it.

The punishment revolves around the notion that Adam and Eve should not have disobeyed God’s command to not eat of the tree of knowledge. God had already declared that that tree was good. This is confirmed here.

Genesis 3; 6
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Without first eating of the tree that would teach her what good and evil meant, it would be impossible for Eve to know that the tree was good for food or indeed that to die, the punishment for eating of it, was evil. Another reason for not taking scriptures literally because knowing good and evil before eating of the knowledge of good and evil makes no sense at all. Regardless of this fact, one must wonder why, if the tree was already good and desirable for wisdom, why God would introduce a Satan or talking snake to tempt Eve. Good drama I guess. Why punish man for becoming wise is also a good question. Surely He could not have wanted man to remain or go through life without wisdom or less wisdom that He said the talking serpent possessed.

I include here other view and perspectives for your perusal, entertainment or enlightenment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nESfGlR7l-o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=594cFaTKlE8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQBDG...eature=related

My question then is this.

Did God set conditions in Eden for His eventual murder of Adam and Eve, through His denial of the tree of life, after breaking his word to them as to their being able to eat from it?

Regards
DL

Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

The grant of permission in verse 16 to eat of every tree is modified and restricted in verse 17 by the explicit warning that eating of the forbidden fruit "surely" results in death, which implies access to the tree of life subsequently will be impossible.

Concerto,

trolls, you should not feed them. God should have made this an 11th commandment.

I just want to find out where those Cherubims are and break in. You figure someone would of come across them by now.

They were already dying so one has to wonder WTF God was talking about.
Death was already in the world.

It is the later denial of the tree of life that caused death to remain. Not anything that Adam and Eve did in an evil way because they could not have known evil till they ate of it.
They did not bring death. It was already there.

Regards
DL

I get that a lot from people who cannot refute a premise that I posit.

Troll as defined as someone who knows the real politique of religion and that that reality hurts your head.

What terrible tragedies realism inflicts on people.

Go educate yourself and then come back like a man instead of a whiner with no ability to refute.

Regards
DL

Yes. Scipture says that it and the talking snake are still about but like most Christian fantasies, Christians have yet to put up and are too delusional to shut up.

You will recognize one of these above called MelchyBeau.

Regards
DL

Hes not a believer. If you're going to post here you should probably pay attention to who's who.

I am too absent minded for that and just go by what is said.
If people cannot show that they are better thinkers than theist and do not recognize that I am almost on their side then too bad for them.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am,

I will pray for you,

Cthulhu Phtagn!

You could also figure out whether or not I am a believer by looking at my location.

Chapter and verse please.
Found this kind of funny.

Recognizing that you're a troll doesn't make one a theist.

Plus, I find the word I bolded funny.

Thing is, there's no way this forum can have a "don't feed the trolls" rule and continue to function.

+1

If I cannot tell by what you say then----

Thanks for the prays but----
Praying is, at it’s root, a self gratifying self serving action that any God would reject out of hand. It is driven by our own lust for power through the God we hope is listening.
It is the ultimate hope for your own rapprochement to God. He heard me, he heard me, I am so good. That type of self gratification.

There may be a good way to pray but in the duality sense, if we want something good for another, then we would need to pray for pain for ourselves.

Regards
DL

I admit I reacted to what I read.
You will also notice that he said he would pray for me.
Does that sound like something a non believer would say?

Regards
DL

Uh, Genesis 3:21 occurs after they eat the fruit. Try again buddy.

If a guy puts a knife on a table and says "hey, there's a knife over there. make sure you dont stab yourself with it." then you go stab yourself, does that make it the guy's fault?

If hes talking to someone that doesn't know good from bad, then yes.

what does the law say about a parent who leaves a gun out and a toddler shoots himself with it?

He is guilty of negligence.

Regards
DL

God says if you eat that tree, you shall surely die (and I'm paraphrasing). That death is not physical death. It is physical and spiritual separation from God.

Based on your logic greatest, you could make the argument that God "lied" to Adam and Eve because they did not die right away as a result of eating the fruit.

So man can manipulate God and keep him away from where he used to freely go just with a bit of sin.

Thanks for showing man as more powerful than God.
The puppet can now tell the puppet master where to be.

Since you are curious as to what I think of god and his telling them they would die.

To say or be told that you will die means you will die relatively soon. Not in 100 or 900 years.
Ask any doctor.
We, by your standards, could tell every child or that they will die and it would not be a lie. Do you tell your children they will die if they do not follow your rules? It would certainly be stupid so are you saying that God was stupid?

The common view is that their innocence died and scripture reinforces this view by showing then knowing shame immediately after eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, just as God foretold. Stop making your God out to be a liar. He would not like it. If that is not fact then show where god told them that there more immediate consequence would be knowing shame.

Further, you will die is not near the same as saying I will kill you by denying you the tree of life that I said and commanded that you could eat.
Right?

Regards
DL

Not if there is no death to begin with...

Death was always there or God could not have made clothing from dead animal skins.

Regards
DL