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08-24-2010 , 03:32 AM
Atheist don't know it, but atheism is a form of perhaps the lowest religion. An atheists' bread and butter is using science to denounce religion and atheists attack Christianity because they feel threatened (subconsciously). You don't see Atheists in this forum attacking other religions, because they are not threatened by other religions.
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08-24-2010 , 03:45 AM
Theos, the root word for "theism" means god. Theism literally means "belief in a god."

Now, the prefix "a" means "without" or "not"

So "atheism" literally means "without belief in a god" or "no belief in a god"

Atheism does not imply materialism, naturalism, moral relativism, or anything other than that, for some reason, the person does not hold belief in a god. That is the only sure thing you can mean when you use this word.

Anyone identifying themselves as an agnostic who doesn't hold a positive belief in the existence of god is not theistic, and they are therefore atheistic.
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08-24-2010 , 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by we're all fishes
Atheist don't know it, but atheism is a form of perhaps the lowest religion. An atheists' bread and butter is using science to denounce religion and atheists attack Christianity because they feel threatened (subconsciously). You don't see Atheists in this forum attacking other religions, because they are not threatened by other religions.
Such a simplistic psychological analysis of such a diverse group is doomed to fail. Also, you do see it.
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08-24-2010 , 03:50 AM
It can be an integral part of a religion, but it is not in itself a religion.

Then again, theism (very broadly speaking) does in itself not really imply religion.
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08-24-2010 , 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by bunny
Such a simplistic psychological analysis of such a diverse group is doomed to fail. Also, you do see it.
smarten up buddy, when i say i don't "see" it, I mean, you don't see atheists attacking other religions adamantly the way christianity is attacked, not that it doesnt exist.
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08-24-2010 , 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by we're all fishes
smarten up buddy, when i say i don't "see" it, I mean, you don't see atheists attacking other religions adamantly the way christianity is attacked, not that it doesnt exist in this forum.
Except you do - and your armchair psychology is still horrible. Sorry I'm not smarter.
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08-24-2010 , 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by bunny
Except you do - and your armchair psychology is still horrible. Sorry I'm not smarter.
when you say horrible, you're being subjective. elaborate on armchair psychology....
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08-24-2010 , 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by we're all fishes
when you say horrible, you're being subjective. elaborate on armchair psychology....
Atheists have lots of different motivations - some of them couldn't care less about religion, others go to church. People like to generalise from one or two atheists they know and apply it to all of them - as I said, it's silly and doomed to failure.

I called it armchair psychology because a genuine psychologist wouldn't make such a universal claim.
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08-24-2010 , 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by we're all fishes
smarten up buddy, when i say i don't "see" it, I mean, you don't see atheists attacking other religions adamantly the way christianity is attacked
Sorry, are atheists supposed to "attack" or argue against other religions when conversing with Christians about their belief?

Christian: I believe in Jesus and Yahweh. Here's why I believe.
An atheist is now supposed to start talking about other religions?

Or what if an atheist wants to create a thread in here arguing against other religions? Newsflash, there are basically no Muslims, Scientologists, Buddhists, etc. on this message board.

If this board was filled with Muslims, Buddhists, Scientologists, or anyone else, you might have a point. Those people don't post on 2+2, so there's no point in bringing it up because there is no conversation to be had on those topics.

You make no sense.
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08-24-2010 , 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by rizeagainst
Anyone identifying themselves as an agnostic who doesn't hold a positive belief in the existence of god is not theistic, and they are therefore atheistic.
I don't know. What about a weak deist who believes basically that anything that exists has an uncaused cause behind it, without really denoting uncaused cause as supernatural? Or what about an emanationism? Plotinus' One, is supernatural by a physicalist's accounts, yet he didn't really consider It outside of nature, more of nature or the natural as coming from It.
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08-24-2010 , 04:20 AM
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Atheist don't know it, but atheism is a form of perhaps the lowest religion.
This is good, at this point you begin the attack immediately. I'm assuming you are a theist of some sort, and would like to convert atheists to your beliefs, but at this point you've failed. You've basically said, YOU ARE A ****ING IDIOT FOR NOT BELIEVING WHAT I DO. Honestly, who do you expect to convert. I imagine if god exists then he is sad that you've succeeded in possibly preventing another person in believing in god.

What is a low religion anyway?

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An atheists' bread and butter is using science to denounce religion
Are you sure? Even if some atheists do this, you paint with a very broad brush. My bread and butter is eating babies and burning down churches. I mean if we are going to start making absurd claims, we might as well go all the way.

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atheists attack Christianity because they feel threatened (subconsciously)
atheists attack christianity because christianity attacks atheists all the time. H.W. Bush said

"No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."

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A 2006 study found that 40% of respondents characterized atheists as a group that did "not at all agree with my vision of American society", and that 48% would not want their child to marry an atheist. In both studies, percentages of disapproval of atheists were above those for Muslims, African-Americans and homosexuals.[51]
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You don't see Atheists in this forum attacking other religions, because they are not threatened by other religions.
What other religions are represented in this forum. There is one Jew that posts, but to say that his beliefs aren't being attacked would be quite absurd, considering the attacks on the old testament that are often leveled. Whats the point in a debate if noone is willing to argue for the other side.

Maybe if more religions started demonizing us more (islam does it pretty well too) We'd attack them.

You sir, are a moron. Jesus is rolling over in his grave because of your post.
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08-24-2010 , 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by we're all fishes
Atheist don't know it, but atheism is a form of perhaps the lowest religion.
wat

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Originally Posted by we're all fishes
An atheists' bread and butter is using science to denounce religion and atheists attack Christianity because they feel threatened (subconsciously). You don't see Atheists in this forum attacking other religions, because they are not threatened by other religions.
no u
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08-24-2010 , 04:24 AM
crap, melchys synopsis just totally owned mine
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08-24-2010 , 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by rizeagainst
Sorry, are atheists supposed to "attack" or argue against other religions when conversing with Christians about their belief?

Christian: I believe in Jesus and Yahweh. Here's why I believe.
An atheist is now supposed to start talking about other religions?

Or what if an atheist wants to create a thread in here arguing against other religions? Newsflash, there are basically no Muslims, Scientologists, Buddhists, etc. on this message board.

If this board was filled with Muslims, Buddhists, Scientologists, or anyone else, you might have a point. Those people don't post on 2+2, so there's no point in bringing it up because there is no conversation to be had on those topics.

You make no sense.
a real christian never "believes" in jesus and yahweh. a real christian knows jesus and yahweh exists the way an experienced cop knows a criminal is guilty, but cannot prove it in a court of law.
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08-24-2010 , 04:29 AM
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Originally Posted by we're all fishes
a real christian never "believes" in jesus and yahweh. a real christian knows jesus and yahweh exists the way an experienced cop knows a criminal is guilty, but cannot prove it in a court of law.
So you chose to address none of my actual points on the topic that was being discussed and instead decided to reply about semantics that had nothing to do with my point or your original claim.

Non sequitur.

I think I will have you on ignore soon.
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08-24-2010 , 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by we're all fishes
Atheist don't know it, but atheism is a form of perhaps the lowest religion. An atheists' bread and butter is using science to denounce religion and atheists attack Christianity because they feel threatened (subconsciously). You don't see Atheists in this forum attacking other religions, because they are not threatened by other religions.
I leave for a couple weeks and when I come back this failure is the first thing I read
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08-24-2010 , 04:41 AM
melchy, to be blunt, i was a more hardcore atheist then you at one point, so your **** doesn't play at all.
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08-24-2010 , 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by we're all fishes
melchy, to be blunt, i was a more hardcore atheist then you at one point, so your **** doesn't play at all.
And I once knew a theist who believed everything you're saying now but he's an atheist now so nothing you can say will play at all either.

Oh, and you were never a "real" atheist either, obviously.

Weeeeeeeeeeee this is fun...
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08-24-2010 , 04:49 AM
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melchy, to be blunt, i was a more hardcore atheist then you at one point, so your **** doesn't play at all.
You were never a true atheist.
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08-24-2010 , 04:52 AM
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You were never a true atheist.
i don't know if i was a true atheist, but i certainly thought i was. how do you define a true atheist if u got the time?
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08-24-2010 , 04:55 AM
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i don't know if i was a true atheist, but i certainly thought i was. how do you define a true atheist if u got the time?
You didn't read the manual?
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08-24-2010 , 04:55 AM
Just stop it dude. As a Christian (like I am) you have to know that Atheism is not a religion. There is no Holy Universal book that they have to dogmatically follow.

Maybe 'hard Atheism' is, when it becomes anti-Christianity comes close to a religion, but it really isn't.
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08-24-2010 , 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by rizeagainst
And I once knew a theist who believed everything you're saying now but he's an atheist now so nothing you can say will play at all either.

Oh, and you were never a "real" atheist either, obviously.

Weeeeeeeeeeee this is fun...
a theist does not equal a real christian.... you got me on your logic though. most of today's mainstream christian believers are morons that believe because of fear and that weak belief will always collapse. come on bro you're argument is failing, but u applied the right logic atleast.
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08-24-2010 , 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Aigyptos
Just stop it dude. As a Christian (like I am) you have to know that Atheism is not a religion. There is no Holy Universal book that they have to dogmatically follow.

Maybe 'hard Atheism' is, when it becomes anti-Christianity comes close to a religion, but it really isn't.
With a postcount < 10 and an aggressive forum start, not to mention that 8 of his first 10 posts on the 2+2 poker forum was in RGT - its merely a gimmick.
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08-24-2010 , 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Aigyptos
Just stop it dude. As a Christian (like I am) you have to know that Atheism is not a religion. There is no Holy Universal book that they have to dogmatically follow.

Maybe 'hard Atheism' is, when it becomes anti-Christianity comes close to a religion, but it really isn't.
my assertion is that atheism is a religion on a deeper level. i'm not a ******, i know by definition atheism is not a religion.
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