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Old 08-13-2018, 06:42 AM   #51
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God could start or cause the big bang, and then it wouldnt be random happenstance.
If you believe in Big Bang you must also believe in evolution...

Darwin wrote in origin of species about how we would find “transitory fossils” signifying all the transitional states of evolution.

We found 0

Adaptation is real observable science. Evolution is Pseudoscience.

How could they have taught us something in school and passed it as facts with no evidence?

If I came on this forum and claimed so and so cheated me I would have to provide documentation and proof of my claims... nobody has proven evolution or Big Bang or even gravity... all just theories passed off as absolute truth. You know kinda like a religion or faith.
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Old 08-13-2018, 08:10 AM   #52
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Both evolution and the big bang theory are strong scientific theories backed up by many decades of research and evidence.

Evolution is not about the origin of life, it is about the development of life. The big bang theory is not about the origin of the universe, it is about the development of the universe.

You are mostly repeating one-liners everyone here has heard hundreds of times before. They are not very convincing except to the ones wanting to convince themselves. You should do yourself a favor and research these things independently. You will find that genuine science, rigor and humility are the backbone of these scientific paradigms.

And no, these theories do not disprove god. They merely conflict with some versions of old religions, like science and natural philosophy has done for thousands of years. We know now that the sun isn't Ra the God resting in the sky. That doesn't make astronomy the devil. It just means that some old superstitions are no longer needed. Blaming science for that is like blaming your house and engineers for making you not live in a cave.
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Old 08-13-2018, 10:59 AM   #53
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If you believe in Big Bang you must also believe in evolution...

Darwin wrote in origin of species about how we would find “transitory fossils” signifying all the transitional states of evolution.

We found 0

Adaptation is real observable science. Evolution is Pseudoscience.

How could they have taught us something in school and passed it as facts with no evidence?

If I came on this forum and claimed so and so cheated me I would have to provide documentation and proof of my claims... nobody has proven evolution or Big Bang or even gravity... all just theories passed off as absolute truth. You know kinda like a religion or faith.

What qualifications do you have to properly evaluate this? Do you have degrees in physics and biology? If so, Kudos, I'm impressed. If not, some humility might be in order.


Regarding gaps in the fossil record. This is an old shell game.


Religious person: "Look: Fossil A.....[GAP].....Fossil Z! There's a gap!"
Scientist: "Great news, everyone. We found a new fossil."
Religious person:" Look: Fossil A....[GAP]...Fossil N....[Gap]...Fossil Z! There are two gaps now!"
Scientist: "Great news, everyone. We found a new fossil."
Religious person:"There's three gaps now!"
[and so forth]
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Old 08-17-2018, 12:09 AM   #54
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If you believe in Big Bang you must also believe in evolution...
It takes 15 minutes to locate and read a synopsis of the Big Bang or how evolution operates in Wikipedia. It always amazes me that creationists can't even be bothered to do that much research before getting online to argue about them.
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Old 08-17-2018, 11:35 AM   #55
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The fact Einstein came up with relativity to explain away the Aether.
First of all, the level to which the MM experiment influenced Einstein's thinking is in debate: http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/4778...icago_Web2.pdf

Secondly, how is it a strike against someone to work from experiments in the pursuit of explaining the results?

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I understand the official science I just think it goes against our senses and reality.. when you dig a little deeper you realize a lot of what you are taught in school isn’t accurate.
Science *does* go against our senses! And in some sense, it goes against "reality" as we understand it. This isn't actually in question.

It's also true that science isn't always "accurate" in the sense that there are lots of approximations we use everywhere because it's difficult to do any work without making those approximations.

And science is the pursuit of the best explanations for things. At a certain level, it never actually claims to define reality because reality always has the ability to disrupt existing theories.

Your objections seem to demonstrate underlying ignorance more than reasoned objections from a basis of knowledge.
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Old 08-17-2018, 12:02 PM   #56
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I have to put this here, ala Einstein, for it is appropriate to ask if the science establishment , in movement,is positivism, implicitly and explicitly; only the facts mam'n, only the facts. LOL

From Aaron's reference:

....... controlled by careful consideration of factual knowledge.” This strongly suggests that
Einstein’s intended audience were overambitious empiricists."" As he wrote in his
intellectual autobiography of 1949, the “positivistic philosophical attitude” suffered from
a prejudice: “the prejudice consists in the faith that facts by themselves can and should
yield scientific knowledge without free conceptual construction.”36""
The Michelson-Morley experiment is only one among a mêlée of factors that put ......
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Old 08-18-2018, 09:30 AM   #57
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It takes 15 minutes to locate and read a synopsis of the Big Bang or how evolution operates in Wikipedia. It always amazes me that creationists can't even be bothered to do that much research before getting online to argue about them.
I know the official explanation...

We were all brainwashed and indoctrinated in school

You should learn about transitory fossils and research flat earth and gravity

Maybe then you’ll be able to understand where I’m coming from
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Old 08-18-2018, 09:36 AM   #58
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First of all, the level to which the MM experiment influenced Einstein's thinking is in debate: http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/4778...icago_Web2.pdf


Your objections seem to demonstrate underlying ignorance more than reasoned objections from a basis of knowledge.
You’ve taken everything you “learned” in school as fact without actually proving anything on your own...

You basically follow a religion of scientism, a belief system of what others have told you.

Research flat earth for your self. Don’t take my word for it. There’s a growing number of people waking up to the fact we don’t live on a spinning ball and came from monkeys.

“Condemnation before investigation is the height of ignorance”

I went to universities and I know the official scientism, but upon digging deeper there’s a lot more to discover.
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Old 08-18-2018, 10:24 AM   #59
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You’ve taken everything you “learned” in school as fact without actually proving anything on your own...

You basically follow a religion of scientism, a belief system of what others have told you.

Research flat earth for your self. Don’t take my word for it. There’s a growing number of people waking up to the fact we don’t live on a spinning ball and came from monkeys.

“Condemnation before investigation is the height of ignorance”

I went to universities and I know the official scientism, but upon digging deeper there’s a lot more to discover.
My brother is a professional pilot and assures me that the earth is round from his own personal experience of flying around it. Why should I believe you instead?
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Old 08-18-2018, 10:38 AM   #60
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My brother is a professional pilot and assures me that the earth is round from his own personal experience of flying around it. Why should I believe you instead?
Don’t believe me.. research for yourself

I’ve been in plane and it looks flat to me

Plane routes is also another proof for flat earth.. no one ever flies over the southern “pole” ask your brother why they don’t fly souther routes from South Africa directly to South America (they always go into northern “hemisphere” or Or why no routes over the South “pole”??)
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rjr777,

how do you explain Focault‘s pendulum on a flat Earth?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault_pendulum
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Old 08-18-2018, 11:54 AM   #62
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Don’t believe me.. research for yourself
Okay, here is what he said:

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Navigation systems would make much less sense if the Earth was flat. GPS is the primary navigation system we use with magnetic navigation as the primary backup. Satellites communicating with your system consistently losing line of sight over the horizon is one thing that jumps to mind. With older navigation systems you have to manually adjust your reference to magnetic North with a compass. Rule of thumb is do it every 15 minutes since the Earth rotates 15 degrees every hour. Not sure if you're familiar with this but it's called magnetic declination. Essentially this is the difference between the true north Pole and magnetic North which is somewhere in northern Canada currently.
So, why do pilots have to manually adjust for the rotation of the Earth when using magnetic compasses to navigate if the earth isn't a spinning ball? And what is happening according to you when GPS satellites lose line of sight over the horizon?
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Old 08-18-2018, 01:23 PM   #63
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I'm not sure it will help but if traveling from , for instance, Spain to Newfoundland the pilot will take the "great circle route"which is actually shorter than the straight line route.

I believe ( been awhile) this is the shortest route from Spain to the North American continent.
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Old 08-18-2018, 01:27 PM   #64
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Of course, strangely, our solar system appears "flat" even though we all may be carrying in our thoughts the solar system perspective of Bohr's atom.

I plead guilty . LOL
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Old 08-18-2018, 01:39 PM   #65
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I know the official explanation...

We were all brainwashed and indoctrinated in school

You should learn about transitory fossils and research flat earth and gravity

Maybe then you’ll be able to understand where I’m coming from
Yeah, perhaps you should just delete this gimmick account of yours and stop wasting people's time.

I'll just put you on ignore and recommend everyone else do the same.
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Old 08-18-2018, 01:44 PM   #66
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rjr777,

how do you explain Focault‘s pendulum on a flat Earth?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault_pendulum
First off everything on Wikipedia is a fact (sarcasm)

Second.. again w the pendulum... pendulums reall aren’t possible.. this doesn’t prove one way or another imo.

Can you get me a photo of something upside down in Australia being stuck to a spinning ball via Magical force of gravity?
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Old 08-18-2018, 01:45 PM   #67
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Yeah, perhaps you should just delete this gimmick account of yours and stop wasting people's time.

I'll just put you on ignore and recommend everyone else do the same.
Ok just because you’re ill informed on the cosmogony of where you live doesn’t make me a troll.

Don’t even listen to what I say but please I implore you to do your own research and look into it.

“Condemnation before investigation is the height of ignorance”
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Old 08-18-2018, 01:49 PM   #68
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Okay, here is what he said:



So, why do pilots have to manually adjust for the rotation of the Earth when using magnetic compasses to navigate if the earth isn't a spinning ball? And what is happening according to you when GPS satellites lose line of sight over the horizon?
Pilots adjust for the supposed curvature using their aeronautic understanding of a globe but in reality is a flat plane. Notice when you see flight paths always curved that’s because the shortest distance between to points is a straight line but they have to show a curve to make the ball make any sense. If you drew the true flight paths you would see they are straight lines. (Do you really think airlines would waste money on gas flying on a curve)

Ask him next time if the horizon rises to his eye level and appears to be flat
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Okay, here is what he said:



So, why do pilots have to manually adjust for the rotation of the Earth when using magnetic compasses to navigate if the earth isn't a spinning ball? And what is happening according to you when GPS satellites lose line of sight over the horizon?
Also magnetic north center works on a plane

South is all points outwards... so circumnavigation east west is possible but that’s why no one circumnavigates north south

Circumnavigate north south and prove me wrong
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Yeah, perhaps you should just delete this gimmick account of yours and stop wasting people's time.

I'll just put you on ignore and recommend everyone else do the same.
This comment is thought control police

Exactly the type of thing they warned of in the book 1984 by George Orwell


Imagine if the earth is really flat and people like me are surpressed or shut up or shunned for telling the truth
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Pilots adjust for the supposed curvature using their aeronautic understanding of a globe but in reality is a flat plane. Notice when you see flight paths always curved that’s because the shortest distance between to points is a straight line but they have to show a curve to make the ball make any sense. If you drew the true flight paths you would see they are straight lines. (Do you really think airlines would waste money on gas flying on a curve).
I'm confused. My brother says when flying he has to manually adjust the position of magnetic North every 15 minutes to compensate for the rotation of the Earth. Are you claiming that he is only doing this because he believes the Earth is spherical and if he didn't make this adjustment he'd still arrive at the correct airport?
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I'm confused. My brother says when flying he has to manually adjust the position of magnetic North every 15 minutes to compensate for the rotation of the Earth. Are you claiming that he is only doing this because he believes the Earth is spherical and if he didn't make this adjustment he'd still arrive at the correct airport?
Is he slightly veering left when going east and slightly veering right going west? This would make sense if the earth was like a cd and magnetic north was the center

Also does he adjust the nose of the plane when flying straight? Does he constantly dip the nose or does he fly level?

Has he ever thought about why he doesn’t have to dip the boss? On a ball you should have to dip the nose of the plane.
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Is he slightly veering left when going east and slightly veering right going west? This would make sense if the earth was like a cd and magnetic north was the center

Also does he adjust the nose of the plane when flying straight? Does he constantly dip the nose or does he fly level?

Has he ever thought about why he doesn’t have to dip the boss? On a ball you should have to dip the nose of the plane.
Just answer my question. Should my brother stop adjusting for the rotation of the earth if he is using a magnetic compass to navigate when he flies a plane? Will he still arrive in the correct location as he does when he does make this adjustment?
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Just answer my question. Should my brother stop adjusting for the rotation of the earth if he is using a magnetic compass to navigate when he flies a plane? Will he still arrive in the correct location as he does when he does make this adjustment?
I’m not saying adjustment is invalid but what if the adjustment is going left to right as opposed to up and down.

Shouldn’t he have to dip the nose of the plane to account for staying level on a globe?
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I’m not saying adjustment is invalid but what if the adjustment is going left to right as opposed to up and down.
If the earth is flat, then why do pilots need to adjust for the rotation of a spherical earth when they navigate?
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