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05-16-2009 , 03:21 AM
As Moses was saved by the water and the pharaoh was drown, God asked Moses:
Moses! Did Pharaoh ask you for help?
Moses looked with pride and said: Yes he did.
God asked him: How many times did he ask you for help?
Moses looked with pride and said: I don't know exactly but several times he did want me to rescue him.
God: I swear by everything that I did create, I swear by my almighty power, if he would have asked me for help once, I would have rescued him right away.
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05-16-2009 , 05:55 AM
why should he have to ask, god already knew what he wanted. no?

also why does god have to ask captain Mosey? he already know what he would answear.

also it is pretty sick how captain Mosey can be proud after killing someone.

at least the story is funny in that god have to swear to Mosey to prove his point, obv Mosey don't trust god.

this story is clearly just allegorical. why waste our time with it?
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05-16-2009 , 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by shahrad
As Moses was saved by the water and the pharaoh was drown, God asked Moses:
Moses! Did Pharaoh ask you for help?
Moses looked with pride and said: Yes he did.
God asked him: How many times did he ask you for help?
Moses looked with pride and said: I don't know exactly but several times he did want me to rescue him.
God: I swear by everything that I did create, I swear by my almighty power, if he would have asked me for help once, I would have rescued him right away.
How many times has moses asked you to stop dropping the acid?
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05-16-2009 , 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by roblin
why should he have to ask, god already knew what he wanted.
Should God ever ask you something than go ahead and ask him if he doesn't already know everything. As long as he doesn't disturb you in your harmonic thought process (everyone is living in some kind of zen), why should you care. Just ignore him.
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05-16-2009 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by shahrad
Should God ever ask you something than go ahead and ask him if he doesn't already know everything. As long as he doesn't disturb you in your harmonic thought process (everyone is living in some kind of zen), why should you care. Just ignore him.
sounds good. wish religious people could do this more. i was just pointing out how the story is contradictory and therefor cannot be true.

also please define how god would communicate with me.
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05-16-2009 , 12:36 PM
shahrad r u rly muslim or a christian? those who believe in jesus don't rly believe in allah. they think u go to hell.
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05-16-2009 , 07:01 PM
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God: I swear by everything that I did create, I swear by my almighty power, if he would have asked me for help once, I would have rescued him right away.
God: But alas he didn't ask me directly, so I sat and watched the sucker die. Ya gotta grovel a little to get my love, y'know? Yeah, you on your knees know.
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05-16-2009 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by roblin
sounds good. wish religious people could do this more. i was just pointing out how the story is contradictory and therefor cannot be true.

also please define how god would communicate with me.
The story is at least not in a way contradictory, like you did mean it. It is pretty clear that God knows the answer, he only wants that Moses admits.

You tell me why God should communicate with you, and I will go ahead and tell you how he will communicate with you.
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05-16-2009 , 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by KB24
shahrad r u rly muslim or a christian? those who believe in jesus don't rly believe in allah. they think u go to hell.
Everyone is free to think what he wants. And who can prove that they are not right? I cannot prove it.
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05-16-2009 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ctyri
God: But alas he didn't ask me directly, so I sat and watched the sucker die. Ya gotta grovel a little to get my love, y'know? Yeah, you on your knees know.
The difference between your story and the story above shows the difference between the author of the story above and the author of your story.
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05-16-2009 , 11:47 PM
Once when the day of death came near to Adam, God spoke to him:
Adam, make your testament and give it to your son, cause the day of your death will be very soon. Adam asked: What is death? God answered: I will remove your soul from your body and I will bring you next to me and I will give you what you did earn. Adam! Who did good, they have nothing to worry about. Adam asked: Is it only me who dies, what is with my children? God answered: Everyone who experienced birth, will experience death, everyone who did live, he will also die. Everyone returns into the graves, there is no exception. Their issue will be paradise or hell, thus nothing is more important than pondering about death.

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05-17-2009 , 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by shahrad
Everyone returns into the graves, there is no exception. Their issue will be paradise or hell, thus nothing is more important than pondering about death.
I don't believe you.
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05-17-2009 , 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by shahrad
You tell me why God should communicate with you, and I will go ahead and tell you how he will communicate with you.
To save my lost "soul"? Now tell me how god does communicate. Does he change the state of some atoms in some neurotransmitters in my brain which give me some kind of psycadelic experience I would misstake for madness or does he write on IRC?
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05-17-2009 , 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by roblin
To save my lost "soul"? Now tell me how god does communicate. Does he change the state of some atoms in some neurotransmitters in my brain which give me some kind of psycadelic experience I would misstake for madness or does he write on IRC?
Wrong! You are not a lost soul, you are a sleeping soul. God doesn't speak to sleeping souls. Lost souls may find back, sleeping souls don't wake up, who is dreaming doesn't hear other voices, but the voices of his dream. Sorry!
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05-17-2009 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by shahrad
The difference between your story and the story above shows the difference between the author of the story above and the author of your story.
Yeah, the author of my story recognizes the obvious contradiction in God's words, the author of the OP story thinks a God that watches someone die that he would save if asked (and even chastises Moses for not saving) is ultimate love. In other words, one author displays some intellectual honesty, and one author espouses a self-contradictory myth as reality.
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05-17-2009 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ctyri
Yeah, the author of my story recognizes the obvious contradiction in God's words, the author of the OP story thinks a God that watches someone die that he would save if asked (and even chastises Moses for not saving) is ultimate love. In other words, one author displays some intellectual honesty, and one author espouses a self-contradictory myth as reality.
It seems that I had misunderstood your story (My English is not as well as it may seem sometimes ). Now that I did get it (I hope so), I admit that your point is somewhat reasonable.
The story is only pointing out that we should never give up our hope to be saved no matter what we have done wrong.
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05-17-2009 , 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by shahrad
As Moses was saved by the water and the pharaoh was drown, God asked Moses:
Moses! Did Pharaoh ask you for help?
Moses looked with pride and said: Yes he did.
God asked him: How many times did he ask you for help?
Moses looked with pride and said: I don't know exactly but several times he did want me to rescue him.
God: I swear by everything that I did create, I swear by my almighty power, if he would have asked me for help once, I would have rescued him right away.
its a shame god wont help people simply out of his desire to do good.
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05-17-2009 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dragonystic
its a shame god wont help people simply out of his desire to do good.
If you guys read a fairy tale about a witch, are you guys inclined to see what is the point of the author or are you guys more inclined to say that the author believes in witches?
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05-17-2009 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by shahrad
If you guys read a fairy tale about a witch, are you guys inclined to see what is the point of the author or are you guys more inclined to say that the author believes in witches?
Depends. If the author makes a claim that witches are real and we should behave as if they are real, and people influence my life directly or indirectly based on their beliefs in such witches, then I'll debate the evidence of the witches. If I'm with rational people who understand that the story is allegorical and intended as a life lesson and not a description of actual historical events, then I'll debate the point of the life lesson.

Unfortunately, too many fail to recognize that the story is a fairy tale and not a history book which requires acceptance of its claims, and thus the debate is shifted to explaining to people that source of their childish beliefs.

Thanks for helping to illustrate our frustration here quite well.
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05-18-2009 , 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by shahrad
If you guys read a fairy tale about a witch, are you guys inclined to see what is the point of the author or are you guys more inclined to say that the author believes in witches?
i take the stories as metaphorical fictions
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05-18-2009 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by shahrad
As Moses was saved by the water and the pharaoh was drown, God asked Moses:
Moses! Did Pharaoh ask you for help?
Moses looked with pride and said: Yes he did.
God asked him: How many times did he ask you for help?
Moses looked with pride and said: I don't know exactly but several times he did want me to rescue him.
God: I swear by everything that I did create, I swear by my almighty power, if he would have asked me for help once, I would have rescued him right away.
First of all, this isn't in the Bible, as far as I know, you made it up, and how can you know what God would have said? Second, while I agree that JESUS would have said something to this extent, I have doubts that the old testament God was so loving. (if you can call saving a mans life, BUT ONLY IF HE ASKS, loving)
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05-18-2009 , 08:17 PM
It sounded like this thread was only for believers, but OP seems to be playing with the atheists so I'll let it go where it goes.
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