Why did god want humans to remain ignorant?

Could humans have realistically remained ignorant forever? If no, what was the point?

Why punish everyone for the actions of two?

It seems obvious that humans were born both curious and hungry. Being omniscient, he probably should have seen this one coming. Did god contribute to this?

Do you really believe that talking serpents exist or existed? If so, how did they come to be able to talk audibly in order to tempt Eve? Surely, according to theology god was the one to endow them with the ability to speak and put them in the garden with mischievous intentions. How did the serpent come to know about the prohibition? Why did it want us to violate it? Surely only god could have enlightened it of this situation?

Why does a baby born today need to ask god for forgiveness for this act?

Where is the garden of eden? Shouldn't we be able to go out and find it and witness the angels set at it's gates according to the theology? Or was this another one of god's "oh lolz just kidding, metaphor!"'s?

What hard evidence do you have that any of this actually happened?

IE: Can you point me to where it occurred? Can you give me scientific evidence that these people actually existed? Can you give me a reason why you think there was a point in the past where serpents could talk? Do you have any good reasons for believing that this story is true beyond the basic "it's in the bible, it must be true" dogma?

Watch some Luis Bunuel, you'd probably love it (and that goes for probably all non-theists on RGT, theists would just be immensely offended).

The Milky Way would be the best place to start:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Voie_Lact%C3%A9e

Then maybe Viridiana, The Exterminating Angel, Simon of the Desert, L'Age D'or, and Nazarin.

Don't mind me, i just got done watching Simon of the Desert, and my Luis Bunuel fanboyishness is acting up again.

When did God ever want humans to live ignorant?

If you actually read the Bible you will see that God gave His people the best possible move at all times. God told them what it was at all times! Can you explain to me please after knowing these things you can figure that God wanted to keep His people ignorant?

Oh, and just like the original 2, we are all original in our own way.

Not going to respond to a bunch of your other questions, but i will tell you this, those who really want to find the Garden of Eden, are able to do so. But i guess it is God's fault that most do not.

This message is hidden because Gunth0807 is on your ignore list.

Duh.

You know, i see 99% of your posts pointless, but i still respond. I guess i care more than you.

have you found the garden of eden, gunth?

Where in the Bible do you see it called "the tree of knowledge"? It's "the tree of knowledge of good and evil". Truncating its name changes the meaning entirely and could be mistaken for another instance of dishonest atheist propaganda tactics.

So you decided not to answer any of my questions and go for a totally nitty side-squabble

Guess I'd do the same if I knew deep down that I was wrong on every issue that mattered

So you decided to not correct your fundamental error and instead mischaracterize my objection to it as nitty.

You're free to be wrong, but don't expect a worthwhile discussion on that basis.

You didn't answer any questions again

I'm shocked

The serpent in Genesis is a reference to Satan. I don't recall Genesis making the claim that all serpents could talk. Inquiring about it in the dishonest and condescending manner that you do makes you look puerile.

Stick to reasonable questions like "why are Adam and Eve's children required to ask for forgiveness of original sin". Leave the disingenuous questions out as they only serve to make you look less intelligent than you are.

That's funny because I don't recall claiming that genesis claimed that all serpents could talk.

????

Can you give me a reason why you think there was a point in the past where [some] serpent(s) could talk?

Are you happy?

Would you like to talk about the actual issues or do you want to just waste time arguing semantics more?

Also, I'd bet any amount of money that you are a theist, since it's obvious that you are a coward hiding behind a gimmick.

If the above is all you have to argue with me about I must be doing a pretty damn good job.

GTFO

I do not believe there was ever a point in the history of this planet where serpents could talk. I am only pointing out that your use of "talking serpents" to be critical of Genesis doesn't help.

Use real and meaningful arguments. For instance Genesis claims that God made it so that the woman would be subserviant to the man. If this is the case why then are/were there female heads of state like Margaret Thatcher and Angela Merkel?

How does it not help. If something in the story goes against all current knowledge, like a serpent being able to talk, that speaks to the invalidity the story.

For example if I tell you that I went for a run and saw a rabbit, you'd be inclined to believe me with almost 100% certainty. If I told you I went for a run and saw a rabbit that began to talk to me, all of the sudden the story becomes much less credible because there is no evidence whatsoever in the modern era or in the past of rabbits talking or having vocal chords.

So - and forgive me for making sense and being straight forward - why not just say it was Satan (or that it referenced Satan)? Why play games and be like "Oh, this snake, that could talk, that should in some vague way remind you or make you think of Satan, could actually be Satan, could have half-snake, half-satan"?

Also, if the talking serpent that tempted Eve is "a reference to Satan" (what the hell does that mean) then isn't it ultimately all god's fault for having included Satan in the divine plan in the first place?

If anyone does not see the ridiculousness of all of this they cannot be helped. This story is absolutely no different from countless other tall tales and fables man has written throughout history. There is a reason only 1 theist replied so far and had nothing at all to say of any substance whatsoever.

Call me crazy, I'm going to go ahead and assume I've done an OK job here and that I have, in fact, used real and meaningful arguments.

You haven't.

You're looking for a text book discription of creation while forgetting that for most of human history textbooks(and writing) didn't exist. That's why it is stupid for you to focus on non important elements of the story, like the talking serpent which may simply represent the physical manifestation of Satan, instead of important elements of the story(like the claim women will be subserviant to men and the fact that only some are).

LOL...you are a theist...it's official..."discription" solidified it to within 99% degree of confidence

Don't take anything I have written as an indication of my official position. I'm more interested in exposing bad arguments then trying to convince people of a particular world veiw.

BTW I am 99% certain you are a jackass.

[ ] OP focused on the talking serpent
[x] you picked out the talking serpent from one of many more substantive questions/points and told me I was focusing on it

His point is still a good one. God didn't want us to have knowledge of good and evil and without that we would be pretty ignorant and maybe automatons i would think.

It also means since good and evil are just terms for moving towards or away from God that God didn't want us to be able to tell if we are moving towards or away form him or really have morals all together.

Hi Stu

Here's the main problem, what you think are semantics, are exactly why you and many, many others on here do not understand. You have no respect for the word of God at all.

You lump it all together and chalk it up as just another book. Accuracy is of the UTMOST importance.

Don't say accuracy doesn't matter and say that someone is argueing about semantics, when you know damn well that accuracy matters to you.

Just not when it comes to trying to bash the word of God. You start off in error, with a question that starts from a basis of error, and expect us to answer you from a basis of error without correcting it.

In mathmatics if somone start off in error and someone else takes over to solve the problem, they will always end up in error UNLESS they correct the original error, I hope you see the logic of that?

So, Concerto has every right to say that you are wrong, because you are, you are misquoting the word of God and baiting and hoping someone will answer your question, which started in error in the first place, and besides that you don't really want an answer, just a reason not to believe like always.

Did Eve have painless childbirths previous to being thrown out of the garden or what? If so, what happened to them?