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Old 01-08-2018, 05:34 AM   #76
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Re: Three Days and Three Nights

Esther 4:16 refers to a fast of "three days, night or day", but Esther chapter 5 tells us they feast on the third day.
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Old 01-08-2018, 08:28 AM   #77
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Re: Three Days and Three Nights

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re: "Esther 4:16 refers to a fast of 'three days, night or day', but Esther chapter 5 tells us they feast on the third day."

I see nothing in the Esther account that precludes at least a portion of each one three daytimes and at least a portion of each one of three night times. If you think it does, I wonder if you might explain?
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Old 01-08-2018, 10:06 AM   #78
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Re: Three Days and Three Nights

N - D
N - D
N - D (feast)

D - N
D - N
D (feast)

So at the minimum you don't have a full day on the third.
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Old 01-08-2018, 10:19 AM   #79
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Re: Three Days and Three Nights

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re: "So at the minimum you don't have a full day on the third."

I'm not asking about full days and full nights.
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Old 01-11-2018, 11:45 PM   #80
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Aaron W.
re: "I'm pretty certain I understand it."

In your own words, what do you think this topic is about?
You are interested in a specific claim of a written prediction of a future event in which someone claims a certain number of days and nights wherein at least one of the days or nights was not included in the accounting of the elapsed time frame, AND this has to come from someone who holds a belief in what you've called "6th day crucifixion."

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If the intent of the topic has been clear, then the folks that have responded have ignored it and have gone off with their own issues.
It is absolutely true that people tend to ignore people who make unreasonable requests. That someone might try to offer a intellectually reasonable substitute shows that sometimes people understand the unreasonableness of your request and seek to provide alternative resolutions to the challenge at hand.

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Correct. It's probably been asked in over 40 different forums during the last 10 years.
And yet... you still hold out hope for a resolution. It leads me to wonder why you're so stubborn? Why this question? Why such narrow criteria? What is your motivation for pursuing this topic for a decade in the way that you have?

Does it make you feel smarter? More accomplished? More "right" in your beliefs? Why are you so intent on trying to pursue exactly this thing?

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BTW, as I said in an earlier post, this topic is not directed to you since you're not a believer in a 6th day of the week crucifixion.
Yes. I'm ignoring the unreasonableness of your request. Because the reality is that this part of the criteria is simply stupid. Suppose that someone was not a 6th day crucifixionist and provided you with written documentation. Would that de-legitimize the evidence?
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Old 01-13-2018, 08:56 AM   #81
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Re: Three Days and Three Nights

Aaron W.,
re: "...AND this has to come from someone who holds a belief in what you've called '6th day crucifixion.'"

I don't think I've said that the examples have to come from 6th day of the week crucifixion advocates. However, the impetus for starting this topic was prompted by comments from some folks who had said they believed that the crucifixion occurred on the 6th day of the week and tried to explain the lack of a 3rd night time by saying that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language of the period. So at the time it was to them that I was thinking about for this topic.



re: "It is absolutely true that people tend to ignore people who make unreasonable requests."

I don't see how it is unreasonable to ask someone who makes an assertion about something - in this case that something is common - to provide examples to support their assertion. If I tell someone that I'm a concert pianist would it be unreasonable to ask me to demonstrate my ability?



re: "And yet... you still hold out hope for a resolution. It leads me to wonder why you're so stubborn?"

I think you mean persistent as you said in post #12.



re: "Why this question?"

Simply curious.



re: Why such narrow criteria?"

The asserters set the criteria, i.e., that it was common usage.




re: "What is your motivation for pursuing this topic for a decade in the way that you have?"

Simply curious.



re: "Does it make you feel smarter?"

Actually, it would make me feel more knowledgeable if examples were provided. But I guess you might call that smarter in a way.



re: "More accomplished?"

Yes.



re: "Why are you so intent on trying to pursue exactly this thing?"

Simple curiosity.



re: "Suppose that someone was not a 6th day crucifixionist and provided you with written documentation. Would that de-legitimize the evidence?"

Of course not. You know that it wouldn't.
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Old 01-13-2018, 11:54 AM   #82
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Aaron W.,
re: "...AND this has to come from someone who holds a belief in what you've called '6th day crucifixion.'"

I don't think I've said that the examples have to come from 6th day of the week crucifixion advocates.
And yet...

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BTW, as I said in an earlier post, this topic is not directed to you since you're not a believer in a 6th day of the week crucifixion.
You have now openly stated (and seem to be affirming an earlier position) that you've directed your question at a certain sub-population.

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re: "It is absolutely true that people tend to ignore people who make unreasonable requests."

I don't see how it is unreasonable to ask someone who makes an assertion about something - in this case that something is common - to provide examples to support their assertion.
Yes, I think we can all see that you don't understand, despite having it explained to you multiple times. But I'll repeat the reasons just for the entertainment of watching you completely ignore it again.

The types of writings you're hoping for simply don't exist. In a largely oral culture, it is not common to find large amounts of writings of mundane things. And given the amount of time that has elapsed since then, one would expect that (if such writings did exist) that they would be lost to history.

Instead, we come to conclusions based on inferences of existing writings. You have already agreed to all of the precepts required to accept the reading to be understood. But you continue to want to be flown to moon and choose not to accept that evidence.

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If I tell someone that I'm a concert pianist would it be unreasonable to ask me to demonstrate my ability?
Is there a piano nearby? If not, then yes it's a completely unreasonable request.

Concert Pianist: I'm a concert pianist.
Skeptic: Can you show me?
CP: No. There's no piano nearby. But here's a recording of me.
S: That's not good enough. I want you to show me.
CP: You can google my name if you want.
S: That's not good enough. I want you to show me.
CP: (Calls his friend over) What do I do for a living?
Friend: You're a concert pianist
S: Nope. I want you to play for me.
CP: There are no pianos here. I can't play for you now.
S: Then you're not a concert pianist.

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Actually, it would make me feel more knowledgeable if examples were provided. But I guess you might call that smarter in a way.
Unfortunately, you've proven yourself to be less intelligent in how you've chosen to approach the topic. You've been given information. You've been given sources for that information. You have chosen to disengage intellectually and continually insist on pursuing just a specific piece of information. A smart person would not do this.

A smart person, over the course of ten years, would have learned enough about the question at hand to understand the difficulty of finding an answer of this specific type. A smart person, over the course of ten years, would have at least opened up to other ways of learning about the situation. A smart person, over the course of ten years, wouldn't continue to be this dumb. Why not become a smarter person?
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Old 01-14-2018, 12:15 PM   #83
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Re: Three Days and Three Nights

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re: "You have now openly stated (and seem to be affirming an earlier position) that you've directed your question at a certain sub-population."

That is true. But I haven't stated that any requested examples from a different population would be ignored.



re: "The types of writings you're hoping for simply don't exist...Instead, we come to conclusions based on inferences of existing writings."

I have yet to see any existing writings that would infer that it was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of the a night time could occur.




re: "You have chosen to disengage intellectually and continually insist on pursuing just a specific piece of information."

That is because that specific piece of information is the only issue that this topic is concerned with.



re: "A smart person would not do this."

When I used the word "smarter" I was referring to being smarter with regard to there being examples of commonality. I wasn't saying anything about being a smart person in general.
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Old 01-14-2018, 12:33 PM   #84
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I have yet to see any existing writings that would infer that it was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of the a night time could occur.
You have. But you have refused to accept them as such. Again, you want to be flown to the moon as evidence that man has been to the moon and will not accept other forms of evidence for the claim.

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I have yet to see any existing writings that would infer that it was common to forecast or say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of the a night time could occur.
This sentence, as amended, is false. You have already assented to other sentence structures that say this. You've assented to the existence sourced writings that say this. I think this is a very clear picture of how narrowly you're asking for something.

Also, from a strictly logical point of view, your use of the word "or" makes your original sentence false as this sentence is true.

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re: "You have chosen to disengage intellectually and continually insist on pursuing just a specific piece of information."

That is because that specific piece of information is the only issue that this topic is concerned with.
Your failure here is mere narrow-mindedness. You are only interested in the experience of going to the moon, and not to the broader question of whether man has gone to the moon. Because if you were interested in the latter, you have been shown the evidence for it. You want to claim you're in search of one, but you're clearly in search of the other.

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re: "A smart person would not do this."

When I used the word "smarter" I was referring to being smarter with regard to there being examples of commonality. I wasn't saying anything about being a smart person in general.
You ought to strive for smart. It's far better than fighting to remain ignorant.
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