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02-14-2014 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
Or we've confirmed that there are no atheists in RGT and this is the realm of the internet's most convincing trolls.
Not trolls.

Spoiler:
Decoys Bladesman, decoys.
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02-16-2014 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
David is wrong though
Unpossible
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02-16-2014 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MarcoSilva92
Consuming some sorts of drugs would make you very happy for a few hours, but then destroy your life. Seems you didn't take them yet, so there's your answer.
Awful analogy
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02-16-2014 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
Ofcourse, the most glaring oversight of all... is that there is absolutely nothing that stops an atheist from believing in souls, salvation, afterlife, his/her own potential damnation and objective meaning and purpose to the universe.

Those beliefs are part of many theistic beliefs and religions yes, but they are not what makes those beliefs theistic.
Really?
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02-16-2014 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Grunching because I don't want to read all this AIDS.

The answer is because future human life has value just as present human life does.

If this is some kind of gotcha about abortion, there is only room for so many future humans and we don't look to be running out anytime soon.

Hope this helps.
Ridiculous
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02-16-2014 , 03:34 PM
One hundred and twenty seven thousand posts, and the multi-quote function still eludes him (intentionally?).
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02-16-2014 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
Really?
Yep, really.
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02-26-2014 , 02:06 AM
Is this the most ******ed OP ever?
No[ ]
Yes [x]
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02-26-2014 , 02:07 AM
Why shouldn't atheists be opposed to it? Is this a sick level?
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02-27-2014 , 01:50 AM
I guess because some people would feel bad knowing that 10 generations or whatever from now humanity would be doomed.
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03-05-2014 , 11:38 AM
This whole thread is kinda depressing;

1) Atheists have no morals and dont care about the world in 600 years

2) Theists only do out of fear from a mystical sky man in the clouds.
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03-05-2014 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by asdfasdf32
One hundred and twenty seven thousand posts, and the multi-quote function still eludes him (intentionally?).
Umad?
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03-05-2014 , 12:01 PM
How the hell does anyone get to 127K posts. Thats like a post every 35 minutes, every single day( and through the night) for the last 8 years!!
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03-05-2014 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by neeeel
How the hell does anyone get to 127K posts. Thats like a post every 35 minutes, every single day( and through the night) for the last 8 years!!
It's more like 43.2 posts every day for the last 8 years. But then how does one make .2 of a post?
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03-05-2014 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by neeeel
How the hell does anyone get to 127K posts. Thats like a post every 35 minutes, every single day( and through the night) for the last 8 years!!
God helps me

/discussion
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03-14-2014 , 10:21 PM
So, I've read the whole thread, yes I did indeed, and somewhere mid reading a single question started popping in my head that seemed relevant to the topic at hand:

Why are there so many self proclaimed atheists reg posters in a forum called Religion, God and Theology?
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03-14-2014 , 10:44 PM
Maybe atheism has something to do with with the God questions.
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03-15-2014 , 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
Maybe atheism has something to do with with the God questions.
It certanly does as in, it has it answered, i.e god does not excist.
Case closed no?

So just wondering, what's the motivation for further participation in religious forums by atheists?
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03-15-2014 , 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Benjola
It certanly does as in, it has it answered, i.e god does not excist.
Case closed no?

So just wondering, what's the motivation for further participation in religious forums by atheists?
Atheism is just the absence of a belief in God, it does not answer anything.

A lot of people just like to have arguments about personal beliefs, whether they be religious, politics, or anything else, with people who have a different view. And that's a good thing.

My parents didn't believe in a God, so I was never really taught to believe in God. I've been an Atheist my whole life so I've never had a chance to experience the beliefs of theists for myself, which means I had to at the very least talk to people who are religious, whether it's on forums or anywhere else, to see their side of the story and tell them mine. I practically had the belief that all theists were just stupid in my youth because I didn't know any better.. Argueing with them didn't quite convert me but at least I understand them now.

I could definitely see other Atheists being converted to religion if they're only Atheists because they don't really know any better, or vice versa.

Regardless of whether we're atheist or theist, a lot of us think we know everything, which simply is never really the case, and I think projecting our views to people we respect ( like our friends at the 2+2 forum, of course. ) that see things differently and hearing theirs could make a legitimate difference, atleast for some of us.

Personally I don't really have an urge to know the truth about our existence anymore, but it's still interesting for me to read the views of others.

As for OP, I don't oppose, but the reason an atheist would oppose is just their morals and what they feel is right, I don't see why religion would ever be the main reason to oppose such a thing anyway.

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03-15-2014 , 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Benjola
It certanly does as in, it has it answered, i.e god does not excist.
Case closed no?
Not quite correct but if it were its case closed for theists too. Case closed doesn't mean there is no taking about it.

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So just wondering, what's the motivation for further participation in religious forums by atheists?
Its not a religious forum. Its a forum about religion God and theology which atheism is a part of.

As for motivation. Thats different for everyone.
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03-18-2014 , 07:58 AM
I wonder why people care so much about future generations. Looking at the past generations I am not sure if mankind is worth it and it certainly doesn't seem to get better with time.

I was born on the 24th of January 1967. When I was born my parents decided that I should be a catholic, but tbh I give a ****. This world started for me on my birthday and it will end on the day I die. Everything that happend before my birth is just a story that someone told me which may or may not be true. Every story about the time after my death is just fiction which may happen or not.

My general feeling is that most people overvalue their importance to this world by the factor of at least a million.

P.S.: No, I do not have children.
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03-18-2014 , 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
Suppose there was some kind of technological breakthrough that would improve the Earth in every imaginable way for every living human for the next 600 years. But it resulted in the Earth's demise in year 601. Why should atheists be opposed to it? (Assume there is no chance for space colonization and that life expectancy has no chance of surpassing 150 years.)

After several replies I am now adding in that everyone becomes sterile after 500 years or so. I was not trying to compare present suffering to future suffering (aside from being childless). Only future non existence.
An implicit assumption of your question seems to be that Atheist are immoral or should logically be so. A common Theist tactic that is refuted by the evidence and reason. Not to mentions extremely offensive. Morals are a human trait because of evolution, and are shared by us all regardless of faith.
To answer to your query: We are selected for maximum long term reproductive success. That means we care for the welfare of our descendants. Humans share almost all of their genes, hence we should care about the Human Race almost as much as our own children.
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03-18-2014 , 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by diafoetoe
An implicit assumption of your question seems to be that Atheist are immoral or should logically be so. A common Theist tactic that is refuted by the evidence and reason. Not to mentions extremely offensive. Morals are a human trait because of evolution, and are shared by us all regardless of faith.
To answer to your query: We are selected for maximum long term reproductive success. That means we care for the welfare of our descendants. Humans share almost all of their genes, hence we should care about the Human Race almost as much as our own children.
We also share a huge amount of our genes with bananas. does that mean we should care about bananas almost as much as our own children?
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03-18-2014 , 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Benjola
It certanly does as in, it has it answered, i.e god does not excist.
Case closed no?

So just wondering, what's the motivation for further participation in religious forums by atheists?
God's existence is one of the great Philosophical questions.
Atheist by their nature have a disposition to think on the nature of things (
if they did not they would just accept the religion of their particular culture as dothe overwhelming majority).
One other thing. Religion causes people to do things like fly airplanes into buildings, go to war over holy lands, sacrifice others on altars, burn millions of old ladies at the stake (alleged witches), torture people who don't believe
as they do (inquisition) etc.
This behaviour affects all of us including atheists.
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03-18-2014 , 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by neeeel
We also share a huge amount of our genes with bananas. does that mean we should care about bananas almost as much as our own children?
Your talking around 99% (other humans) vs. around 30% (bananas).
If you think 30% is almost as much as 99% then sure.
BTW our morals are a product of evolution. Those who care for their children and kin will on average leave more descendants then those who do not.
This is as precise as evolution need be, figuring out the exact # of genes one shares, or even being logically consistent is not necessary.
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