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Old 10-13-2018, 01:09 PM   #1
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Is there any proof of God?

I'm not one one of those annoying atheists that "knows" there's no God. I guess I'm agnostic. I'm just wondering if God exists.
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Old 10-13-2018, 01:21 PM   #2
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Of course there isn't actual proof.
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Old 10-13-2018, 03:44 PM   #3
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Of course there isn't actual proof.
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Old 10-13-2018, 05:06 PM   #4
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Re: Is there any proof of God?

G-pro is god ive seen him summon a 2 outer for 600k

if thats not god idk what is
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Old 10-13-2018, 05:15 PM   #5
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Re: Is there any proof of God?

here are hundreds of proof:
http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm


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Old 10-13-2018, 10:37 PM   #6
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"You're still looking for evidence when you're the living proof" -- World Party, Sunshine
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Old 10-14-2018, 02:38 AM   #7
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Re: Is there any proof of God?

A common question to ask at this time is what you consider to be a "proof" of something like the existence of God.

You will notice in Kelvis' response that he referred to "actual proof" which is an area for inquiry clarifying why he felt it necessary to add a qualifier to his concept of proof. In particular, there's some possibility that he would accept that there is proof of some type, but that type of proof is different from whatever he means by "actual proof."

Or he could just be asserting something without carefully contemplating the meaning of the terms, which would also be entirely consistent with responding to something that's an actually deep and interesting question with a shallow and meaningless answer.
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Old 10-14-2018, 07:21 AM   #8
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A common question to ask at this time is what you consider to be a "proof" of something like the existence of God.

You will notice in Kelvis' response that he referred to "actual proof" which is an area for inquiry clarifying why he felt it necessary to add a qualifier to his concept of proof. In particular, there's some possibility that he would accept that there is proof of some type, but that type of proof is different from whatever he means by "actual proof."

Or he could just be asserting something without carefully contemplating the meaning of the terms, which would also be entirely consistent with responding to something that's an actually deep and interesting question with a shallow and meaningless answer.
I said "actual" before the relis come in and quote the bible and such, which they view as proof. Since that is not actually how we prove things, I felt the need to make that clear.

Also you use a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. Good job.
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Old 10-14-2018, 12:50 PM   #9
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I said "actual" before the relis come in and quote the bible and such, which they view as proof. Since that is not actually how we prove things, I felt the need to make that clear.
What is "actual" proof to you? You can try to anticipate the "relis" to quote the Bible as "proof" but that tends to be more of a caricature than reality.

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Also you use a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. Good job.
And you use few words to belie your lack of knowledge. I doubt your capacity to understand the words that are being said, and that most of this conversation is beyond your ability. But we shall ultimately see.
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Old 10-14-2018, 05:02 PM   #10
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Too long, didn't read.
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Old 10-14-2018, 07:11 PM   #11
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Too long, didn't read.
Unsurprised.
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Old 10-15-2018, 10:23 AM   #12
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That's much better. You come across much more sincere than when you try to impress your imaginary friends.
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Old 10-15-2018, 11:06 AM   #13
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That's much better. You come across much more sincere than when you try to impress your imaginary friends.
You don't.
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Old 10-15-2018, 11:10 AM   #14
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You don't.
The fun part is you literally must have the last word. Let's see if you are capable of resisting that urge just this once.
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Old 10-15-2018, 01:26 PM   #15
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The fun part is you literally must have the last word. Let's see if you are capable of resisting that urge just this once.
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Old 10-17-2018, 06:10 AM   #16
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I'm not one one of those annoying atheists that "knows" there's no God. I guess I'm agnostic. I'm just wondering if God exists.
You have logic arguments that serve proof. You have evidence out in the real world.

But logic arguments can also prove that all apples are green. For a logic proof to be sound, it also has to have true premises. That usually puts you back to square one.

And evidence is a shaky term. A guy claiming something is evidence. So, evidence requires criteria for quality. People not only disagree on those criteria, they also have a tendency to not be completely fair about how they employ such criteria.

I'd say that most archaic religions don't really have much of a place given modern knowledge. I'm more sympathetic to religious (or spiritual) beliefs that accept and incorporate modern knowledge and are willing to change. There can be a thin border between that and the notorious "god of the gaps", but it's possible.

But even though I might be more sympathetic to such approaches, I still don't see them as necessary. The world seems to be perfectly explainable without god(s) as far as I am concerned.
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Old 10-18-2018, 08:19 AM   #17
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Re: Is there any proof of God?

Yes. Genesis 1.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

In 1 Corinthians 15

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures

You either believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins was buried and rose on the third day or you don't. Your choice.

is there proof for gravity? or are you believing what is written to be true? Someone could say that the reason when you throw your poker chips in the air and they come down is because I'm massive with huge muscles from hitting the gym and the chips love my tanned oiled up skin.
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Old 10-18-2018, 09:44 AM   #18
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I'm not one one of those annoying atheists that "knows" there's no God. I guess I'm agnostic. I'm just wondering if God exists.
There's overwhelming evidence that he does not exist, at least not a good God, which in religious realms is meant by God. Just the sheer amount of misery is sufficient evidence that God does not exist.

Ask yourself, if you were God, would you allow such and such to happen? Then insert anything you think is completely and utterly despicable.

Then ask yourself does God really exist?

The only answer you can logically come up up with are these:

Either God does not exist or God exists but is evil. If the latter is the case, then we can argue if we should call him/her God.
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Old 10-18-2018, 10:53 AM   #19
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There's overwhelming evidence that he does not exist, at least not a good God, which in religious realms is meant by God. Just the sheer amount of misery is sufficient evidence that God does not exist.
Or perhaps a "good God" as you understand it isn't actually what is meant in the religious realms.

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Ask yourself, if you were God, would you allow such and such to happen? Then insert anything you think is completely and utterly despicable.

Then ask yourself does God really exist?
This is what people mean when they say that they make God in their own image. "*I* think such-and-such is despicable, and if *I* were God, *I* wouldn't let that happen." So you're not God, or God isn't like you. We could have guessed that one already.

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The only answer you can logically come up up with are these:

Either God does not exist or God exists but is evil. If the latter is the case, then we can argue if we should call him/her God.
I'm not aware of a single religious perspective that claims that God's existence should preclude bad things from happening. This false dichotomy is as bad as the ones that religious people make.
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Old 10-18-2018, 10:54 AM   #20
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Just the sheer amount of misery.
If you actually read the bible which is Gods word you will find that the Lord sends poverty and wealth; He humbles and He exalts. This means some people who play poker get wealthy and others go broke. Being broke could be perceived as misery. If you read futher in the bible it also says and having food and clothing, with these we shall be content.

1 Samuel 2:7 NLT
The LORD makes some poor and others rich; he brings some down and lifts others up.

1 Timothy 6:8 NKJV
8 And having food and clothing, with these we shall be content.

If you obey 1 timothy 6:8 and are content with having food and clothing then it doesn't matter if you have 100 million in the bank or nothing in the bank. As long as you have food and clothing your happy.

Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

If you seek the kingdom of God everything will be added to you. clothes, food shelter, the flash sport car for some, for others it may be a bicycle with no brakes or seat lol.

the first thing you need to do for seeking the kingdom of God is to understand where your at.

romans 3:10

As it is written: "There is no one righteous, not even one;

this means there isn't a person who is good.

romans 3:23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

everyone has done sin. either stealing, lying, jerking off to porn, sex with the worker girl who your not married too or all 4 things and more many times.

John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

Jesus Christ is the Son. God sent Jesus to save everyone who believes in what he did for everyone.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

1 coriathians 15 3-4

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures.

thats the gospel. Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose on the third day. Believe that Christ died for your sins, was buried and he rose on the third day. and you shall not perish and you can go to heaven. Simple as that.

proof of God.

People lie.
People steal.
People cheat.
People have sex not in marriage.

God doesn't lie. He says people will do all these things in the bible which is his word. I see and hear of people doing these things everyday. heck i've even done these things. I personally have experienced these things that God said people or I would do.

I probably heard Gods name spoken in vain at least a dozen times today. Bible also explains that people will do that too. Bible is Gods word. Seems to be a pretty honest God is.

how much proof do you want?

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Old 10-18-2018, 10:56 AM   #21
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What is "actual" proof to you? You can try to anticipate the "relis" to quote the Bible as "proof" but that tends to be more of a caricature than reality.
How bout now?
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Old 10-18-2018, 11:02 AM   #22
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How bout now?
What about it?

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is there proof for gravity? or are you believing what is written to be true? Someone could say that the reason when you throw your poker chips in the air and they come down is because I'm massive with huge muscles from hitting the gym and the chips love my tanned oiled up skin.
I'll let you see if you can figure out what's happening in this post.

Also, I've never claimed that people absolutely never make dumb arguments. This is still pretty much a caricature and not the reality of the majority of the religious.
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Old 10-18-2018, 11:09 AM   #23
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What about it?



I'll let you see if you can figure out what's happening in this post.

Also, I've never claimed that people absolutely never make dumb arguments. This is still pretty much a caricature and not the reality of the majority of the religious.
Compare the bible with what happens in everyday life and you will see things that God said will

A) happen right now. B) about to happen C) have happened.
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Old 10-18-2018, 11:14 AM   #24
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Compare the bible with what happens in everyday life and you will see things that God said will

A) happen right now. B) about to happen C) have happened.
A) No. There are eternal principles that have been presented and concepts that can be applied in practical ways to one's life in the present tense, but that's much different from saying that the Bible is telling me what will happen right now.

B) No. This is similar to the above, but even more dangerous. The problem with this perspective is that "about to happen" is something that can be applied and interpreted in an ad hoc manner. It's part of the narrative construction that we do as humans to find parts that cohere with what we expect and ignore other information. This happens to both religious and non-religious.

C) This is basically a reiteration of B and seems to provide no new content.
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A) No. There are eternal principles that have been presented and concepts that can be applied in practical ways to one's life in the present tense, but that's much different from saying that the Bible is telling me what will happen right now.

B) No. This is similar to the above, but even more dangerous. The problem with this perspective is that "about to happen" is something that can be applied and interpreted in an ad hoc manner. It's part of the narrative construction that we do as humans to find parts that cohere with what we expect and ignore other information. This happens to both religious and non-religious.

C) This is basically a reiteration of B and seems to provide no new content.
B) Jesus is coming. 7 year Tribulation is coming. I believe God is telling the truth about these two upcoming events.

A) God said people sin. This has happened in the present moment many times throughout my life.

C) I lied today to someone. thats in the past. ask God for forgiveness. trying to not repeat it again.

James 5:16 says to confess your sins to each other. to other christians i would think from reading the verse more. are you a christian?

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