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08-14-2010 , 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Thijs908
I apoligize for the ****storm my earlier post caused and I hope this post is more in line
Half the posters here spend quite a bit of effort trying to persuade the rest of us we're talking to an imaginary friend. Even that can get quite heated - it doesnt take much to cause a storm around these parts.
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08-14-2010 , 07:24 AM
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I agree, I was way out of line with the true atheist thing...

What I was trying to say is that I find it extremely weird for an atheist to believe in anything supernatural without any evidence, and then turn to a Theist and say: "God? Where's the evidence?"

I apoligize for the ****storm my earlier post caused and I hope this post is more in line
as bunny said, this is much more reasonable. kudos for re-evaluating your position. i too find it extremely weird an atheist would believe any of these things.
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08-14-2010 , 01:06 PM
It is curious how someone can believe in a religion (any religion) but the idea of aliens visiting us is impossible simply because of the size of the universe.

Given we can already envision methods of travel between distant points in space using artificial wormholes the idea that a much more advanced society of aliens cannot achieve this or a similar faster than light travel method seems odd to me.

Which isnt to say UFOs are aliens, but it is certainly more likely than the son of god being born in Bethlehem around 2k years ago.

If we need to fully understand how someone can do something like travel from one side of the galaxy to the other side in a relatively short amount of time then there are going to be a lot of religious people with huge problems when it comes to "let there be light".

As for vampires and werewolves, it is often said that the biblical stories are based on real events, so how unreasonable is it for those stories to be based on real events? The 18th century stories of vampir surely had to originate from somewhere; how certain do we need to be that they are pure fiction in origin to dismiss them entirely?
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08-14-2010 , 02:01 PM
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Given we can already envision methods of travel between distant points in space using artificial wormholes the idea that a much more advanced society of aliens cannot achieve this or a similar faster than light travel method seems odd to me.
im assuming this is a response to me.

in which case, you seem to have missed my point completely. its not that aliens couldnt have wormhole technology. its that if they did...their technology would be so incomprehensibly advanced, that they would easily be able to "abduct" humans and travel around the earth without us knowing about it.

i mean, how do you have wormhole technology but lack the ability to cloak yourself? or the ability to erase memories with a better success rate? or the ability to scan and learn everything there is to know about an object or being from afar? that advanced aliens would need (or even want) to abduct us seems absurd.

(and im an atheist)
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08-14-2010 , 02:52 PM
Alien works in mysterious ways.

Was more in general than specifically at you, but your posts were a leaping off point. I mean you put an alien believer and a priest side by side and ask me to work out who believes in the crazier subject, not sure i could pick, its not nearly an easy choice as it first would appear.
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08-16-2010 , 02:59 AM
Well, ofcourse I too would find it obscure if an atheist rejected "gods" due to lack of evidence, and then decided to believe in any of the things on OPs list.

Except zombies.
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08-16-2010 , 03:27 PM
just saw this last weekend.

zombie movies are my absolute favorite.
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08-16-2010 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ilovedonks
they all highlight man's willingness to believe in things that do not exist.
Which is why the list opposes OP's intentions, as fundamental Christians (almost all of them) would deny the existence of that entire list.

Ask if an atheist believes matter can do magic, and he will say yes, pointing to evolutionary biology. That is the greatest fairytale of all.
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08-16-2010 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Megenoita
Ask if an atheist believes matter can do magic, and he will say yes, pointing to evolutionary biology. That is the greatest fairytale of all.
Huh? How is evolution an example of matter doing magic? Not to mention that thinking evolution to be a great fairytale is laughable (though probably too much of a derail).
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08-17-2010 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Dying Actors
just saw this last weekend.

zombie movies are my absolute favorite.
Awesome.
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08-17-2010 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Megenoita
Ask if an atheist believes matter can do magic, and he will say yes, pointing to evolutionary biology.
No atheist (or theist) who understands evolutionary biology at all will say anything about matter doing "magic". There's nothing magical about it; it's quite ordinary and commonplace. It's just how things work.

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That is the greatest fairytale of all.
Fairytales don't have mountains of scientific evidence that support their existence.
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