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04-10-2014 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MacaroonUK
How did they know what religion they were. Did they ask them before or after they committed suicide?
As discussed in multiple places in the thread and in the article itself, people were assigned religion by country.

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Originally Posted by NeueRegel
The survey doesn't inquire about religious demographics. It just assigns them by country (China = atheist).
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Originally Posted by bunny
Another weakness is that it doesnt distinguish between the religion of the individuals and the religion of the country. Without knowing that, it's hard to know what conclusion to draw.
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Originally Posted by bunny
The study itself says:

"Certainly, these findings do not take personal levels of religiosity into consideration; however, they might indicate the importance of the religious context, i.e. the prevalence of a religion in a country, in relation to suicide deaths, as a major cultural factor in the determination of suicide."
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04-26-2014 , 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
Hehe, we can talk about causality but we shouldn't necessarily pretend studies like this support that.

My personal opinion is that religion can (emphasis on can) have a doctrinal effect ("suicide is sin"), an insulating social effect (making you less prone to solitude and isolation), some therapeutic effect (especially when it comes to handling people with rough pasts and substance abuse) and also dampen anxiety and depression (by giving you fixed social habits and attention respectively).

This of course can come with a price. People who "fall off" might be thrown into even deeper depression, and it might be a trigger for depression in itself.
Suicide is not a sin according to Bible. Yes, according to religion is but is not biblical. More than that, God helps Samson commit suicide in Old Testament.
Many people have blind faith in what their religion tells but this is wrong. For example, is hell real or is the punishment only anihilation ? There is no right or wrong answer. It depends how you interpret the Bible. And you can be wrong. Most passages I think say is anihilation but there are also passages that seem more like hell (but could also be interpreted to mean anihilation). There is no sense to have a specific believe if the Bible is not clear just because your religion says to.

Also homosexuality is a sin according to Old Testament and according to Paul, but Jesus never said it's a sin. We can say the new law replaced the old one (for example in the old law revenge is good) and homosexuality is not longer a sin according to the new law because Jesus never said it is.
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04-26-2014 , 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by InFlnlte
Does this ignore suicide bombers?
Interesting, Islam's holy book says suicide is a sin and you will go to hell but Christian's holy book never says suicide is a sin.
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04-26-2014 , 12:59 PM
Hi xxl_w1,

You bring up some interesting points. I thought I would let you know I responded to your recent post discussing homosexuality in the Bible, in the Islam is a religion of peace thread. You may be surprised at how Islam truly views homosexuality, more over, how to deal with homosexual activity during life on earth.
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04-26-2014 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by xxl_w1
Also homosexuality is a sin according to Old Testament and according to Paul, but Jesus never said it's a sin. We can say the new law replaced the old one (for example in the old law revenge is good) and homosexuality is not longer a sin according to the new law because Jesus never said it is.
Is the OT God different to the NT God? Does eternal, unchanging God change his mind over time about what is sin, or does "not one jot of the law pass away"? Did Jesus come to abolish the old law, or did he say the exact opposite?

Does condemning homosexuality make you feel so uncomfortable, you seek out ways to find it acceptable under Christianity (like reducing Paul's words to just some guy's opinion)? If so, congratulations - you have better morals than is written of the God of the bible (a low standard to pass, but still noteworthy).
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04-26-2014 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by BeaucoupFish
Is the OT God different to the NT God? Does eternal, unchanging God change his mind over time about what is sin, or does "not one jot of the law pass away"? Did Jesus come to abolish the old law, or did he say the exact opposite?

Does condemning homosexuality make you feel so uncomfortable, you seek out ways to find it acceptable under Christianity (like reducing Paul's words to just some guy's opinion)? If so, congratulations - you have better morals than is written of the God of the bible (a low standard to pass, but still noteworthy).
I'm a non believer (not atheist though, I'm more a deist or a pantheist than an atheist). I reject all religions.

But if I suppose Old Testament is true my opinion is the same with the opinion of jews, Jesus was not Messiah. Jesus said the exact opposite (he doesn't want to abolish the old law) but he did the exact opposite (his teachings are very different from Old Testament teachings). I think for a Christian what Jesus says should be more important than what Paul says because Paul is not God. I think accepting homosexuality has biblical support. Even in Old Testament it seems to me only sex between homosexuals is a sin not homosexuality.
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