Does this mean newborns who are stillborn, who got no trial period, are doomed?

no

See that makes no sense.

Either way i wish God would of killed me at birth then.

Why? What do you think happens? Do you think babies go straight into heaven? I don't.

also, makes perfect sense.

If humans need a trial period on earth and some babies dont get one they would seem to be doomed.

What if they are reincarnated?

Well that would be about the only out i could think of.

It's really no different than killing someone. And most of us agree that killing someone is a punishment. I don't understand how you don't.

Furthermore it is denying someone eternal enjoyment. That alone makes it a punishment, but killing and denying them makes your view that It's not a punishment inconsistent, yes.


Maybe your Christian theology. I think It's just your interpretation that Earth is a trial period.

Anyway, even if it did, my point should make you question the validity of Christian theology since God is loving.

Well that doesn't count for much considering you have no explanation for how we can magically know what God wants of us. And you've dodged the perfect example I gave in which a person likely wouldn't know.

You know, most racists believe in God. Doesn't stop them from hating people.

Oh, but it does a lot of the time. I'm surprised how you, as a car salesmen, don't understand how capitalism makes people selfish and not know better.

http://whatisadodge.ytmnd.com/

Kind of an insult of a response, Jib. But I guess you don't have a good answer to my question so you have to resort to dodging it completely and putting it out of your mind.

You're right, being killed/annihilated is such a valuable freedom.


You've said you need to repent and ask for forgiveness and be a good person, and if you fail to, you're annihilated. I can only surmise you meant in life. That would preclude anything after death. Also I thought you didn't believe in any kind of realignment? You just quoted "realigned". So all in all I don't know what to make of this. You definitely seem to be contradicting yourself.

Oh and I'm pretty sure you're contradicting Christian theology as well by saying there is any kind of choice after death. Fyi.

Well, that depends on the above paragraph, but I'm guessing it leaves us with you not seeing that there are more compassionate alternatives that God has the power to implement, which don't contradict free will, and get almost everyone into Heaven.

I think at this point you need to stop calling yourself a Christian.

lol, I actually try to avoid calling myself a christian.

Then why do you "strictly adhere to Christian theology"?

That depends on your idea of Christian theology.

So if someone is in horrible pain that is only going to get worse, you consider putting them out of their misery a punishment?

Who says God denies them? I have said the complete opposite.


Aren't we talking about my theology? I also don't know of any drastically different christian theology on this point.

Only if I agreed with your views of the situation, which I don't.

So it is your contention that no one follows christian core morals (help the poor, love one another, etc), other than people that adhere to the bible?

Do they really believe in the bible then?

Do they really not know better?

It's not a dodge, but there is not much more I can say when you refuse to listen to what I am saying. The conversation has been

You: How can you believe in X
Me: I don't believe in X, I believe Y
You: but X is horrible, how can you believe it?
Me: I just said I don't, I believe Y
You: But X is bad, how are you not seeing this
Me: Ok, I disagree with you then.


Annihilation would just be the natural consequence of your choices. Being able to make your own choices I believe is valuable.

I am not contradicting myself at all. I am just contradiction your belief of my beliefs.

If I told you that fire would burn you, and you put your hand in the fire and got burnt, did I just punish you?

Yes, I am well aware of the fact that I go against much of mainstream Christianity. And I am ok with that.

Correct. I believe that the only way to get everyone "into" heaven is to make their choice for them, which is contradictory to free will.

I didn't think God dug assisted suicide.

I would say that the only reason that I would not support most assisted suicide is because I do not have complete knowledge. There are a lot of things in play in the world, both physical and spiritual. The bible does not hold that killing is bad because it necessarily makes something worse.

tbh, if someone I loved was in horrible pain and there was pretty much 0 chance of that getting better and they could not physically kill themselves, I would help. If you would like to judge me for that, I'm ok with that.

I wont judge ya for that as anything but merciful. But some say someone will....

Yeah, my question was in no way attributing a view to you that you didn't have. I was asking you how these people are supposed to know something. You've dodged answering and now you're making bull**** excuses.

Not "everyone" gets into Heaven in my example. My example doesn't contradict free will. They do make their own choice.

If you're going to dodge answering questions, make non-sequiturs, lie, etc., then I'm done having any further conversation with you. You're being a dishonest jerk at this point.

They would only be in horrible pain if God put them in horrible pain.

not true.

Yes, it is true. God determines their fate after death. Only he could impose "horrible pain" on someone's soul.

The determine their fate. The horrible pain was the natural consequence of choosing to go against God. God is life, by not choosing God you are not choosing life, thus you are choosing death.

Death isn't "horrible pain". That would be something else God would do to you. I don't know what, but he'd be doing it to you.

What?

If were talking about horrible pain after death, God would be inflicting it.

If you meant horrible pain in life, then you've not met the millions of perfectly happy "sinners". And thus your original analogy of putting people out of their misery is invalid. It really makes no sense either way.

What's awesome is that we don't have the freewill to fly, but we do to choose death.

Sweet!