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Originally Posted by Maximus122
Our observable universe is 93 billion light-years in diameter.
Obviously, a God beyond our comprehension created it all.
The stars, water, mountains, grass, soil, the sun, the moon, gravity, night, day, our crust and mammals, all working in perfect symmetry, unable to survive without one another.
Why do you want to live? Why do you want to pass on your DNA? Why do you laugh? Why does your heart and liver continue to work on your behalf, when it gets nothing in return?
It's all way to extraordinary, to have happened by some freak accident.
Only a dumb ass, would think otherwise.
How is it obvious that “a god beyond our comprehension” created everything? Presumably such a god would have to be more complex than the universe he/she/it created. Ok, all well and good, but how do you explain the existence of a “god beyond our comprehension”? Is it more likely that our universe, which can be explained in large degree by a certain set of physical symmetries and seems to be fairly comprehensible arose from natural processes or is it more likely that a god that is totally incomprehensible and whose existence cannot be explained by some set of physical properties somehow arose spontaneously (not to mention WITHOUT the benefit of the existence of the fields, matter and energy that make up our universe)?
Given the set of physical symmetries that the universe possesses, there are plenty of ways that self organization of complex structures could occur naturally. The straw man you add to the mix is that these must occur via random processes. By the very nature of the universe, the processes occurring within it are NOT random. Two blobs of matter do not, for example, sometimes repel each other, sometimes attract one another, and sometimes have absolutely no interaction. They always attract; it’s not random. Further the strength of their attraction is likewise not random - it is dependent only on the masses of the blobs and the distance seperating them. “So what”?, you might ask. Well, that nonrandom interaction (more widely known as gravity) combined with other well understood nonrandom interactions (electromagnetism, the strong force and the weak force), are sufficient to explain most of what you seem to think requires “a god beyond our comprehension” to explain.
The origin of quarks can be explained by the details of the inflationary period in the early universe. Interaction of these quarks can explain the formation of protons and neutrons, leading to the formation of the primal hydrogen and helium (plus a tiny amount of lithium) that was the earliest atomic matter in the universe. Gravity, plus the strong and electromagnetic forces explain how these primal hydrogen atoms clumped themselves together to form giant aggregates, aggregates so large that the energy possessed by the hydrogen at their core got squeezed and heated enough that the protons fused to form helium and enormous amounts of energy- ie stars were born. Further fusion reactions in these primal stars formed heavier elements, ones needed to form planets and eventually life.
None of it is random, and it is all perfectly comprehensible. We may not know every single detail, but the general picture is well understood. If you want to cling to a “god of the gaps” deity to explain all the missing details, that’s your prerogative, but you will be believing in an ever-shrinking god as our scientific understanding of the universe increases.