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04-02-2013 , 04:55 PM
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I oppose racism, bigotry and prejudice. If you are not going to help then at least don't undermine me regardless of whether or not you like the way I do it.
Well, I think the method matters as much as the goal. I'm not an 'ends justify the means' kind of guy.
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04-02-2013 , 11:39 PM
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But this isn't even an atheist forum.
Never said it was. I said it was an opened forum which allows all points of view. Or at least should be.

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It seems to be for the expression of vicious hate. Just look at this thread. It's full of hate-filled posts and thinly veiled racism and Islamophobia. Original Position seems fine with the haters (he's left their stuff up here) but instantly mods anyone who calls them out for their nastiness.
You spew hate and nastiness in most of your posts. Now personally i think that should be allowed and challenged wherever it comes form. Its a far better thing to keep it i the daylight then in the dark. You wont convince me otherwise.

Besides this forum by enlarge is pretty peaceful given the subject matter. You have blinders on if you cant see that. Most of the regs, theists and atheists, get along without your type of hate.

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Religion forums are not for anti-religious posters anyway.
Again this is not a forum for the religious. Its an opened forum that discuses religion.

Last edited by batair; 04-02-2013 at 11:47 PM.
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04-03-2013 , 05:37 AM
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No it isn't it's prejudice and bigotry against a particular group. It's like anti-Semitism for Muslims.
So Islamophobia is not a religious subject? Who knew.

People, no talking about any of the religions on this forum unless it's in a positive light.

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The Islamophobia is racism almost all of the time. It's Westerners having a pop at an Eastern religion and almost always the people who practise it. In Britain that's Pakistanis in Israel it's Arabs in the US it's whoever they are fighting.
Well there's the answer to the thread Title then, thinking that Islam is 'worse' than other religions does make you a racist. Let's just ignore all the people who don't agree.

Checkmate to cwoccwoc. You win.
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04-03-2013 , 09:15 AM
That some group is suspect (direct or indirectly) to bigotry, should not dissuade us from questioning characteristics and/or institutions of that group.

That being said, one should always take care to be objective and fair - and also criticism one levies can and will be used by people for hateful purposes. For example; I have little but disdain for Fiqh legal systems. They are biased courts that exist without checks and balances and are not based on egality. Such a legal system is tyrannical and not worthy of the year 2013.

However, this argument will also be used by other people to strengthen and defend their own prejudices against Islam. Though this isn't technically my fault, it does mean one must be quick to argue both sides of the coin on this issue.

Not that I think it matters. I think polarization eventually drives any society into the gutter. It devolves into "side against side", and increasingly many will characterize rather than resolve.

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04-03-2013 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ganstaman
Well, I think the method matters as much as the goal. I'm not an 'ends justify the means' kind of guy.
The latest hot thread seems to be "Was Jesus a bastard". It's a complete joke. You are Jewish. Would you put up with the racism and nasty bigotry if it was directed against your race/religion ? I somehow doubt it. Luckily for you the mods would soon ban anyone that tried that.
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04-03-2013 , 09:22 AM
I'm pretty sure a similar thread about Abraham with the potential for offending Jews Christians and Muslims would be moderated to the same standard the rest of the forum is.
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04-03-2013 , 09:23 AM
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That some group is suspect (direct or indirectly) to bigotry, should not dissuade us from questioning characteristics and/or institutions of that group.
..without racism or bigotry.

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For example; I have little but disdain for Fiqh legal systems. They are biased courts that exist without checks and balances and are not based on egality. Such a legal system is tyrannical and not worthy of the year 2013.
Fine but there are many secular dictatorships which are worse and there are many other religious topics.

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However, this argument will also be used by other people to strengthen and defend their own prejudices.
And it is up to the mods and forumists to see that this prejudice is not expressed offensively.
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04-03-2013 , 09:27 AM
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I'm pretty sure a similar thread about Abraham with the potential for offending Jews Christians and Muslims would be moderated to the same standard the rest of the forum is.
If true, which I don't believe, that's an indictment of the modding. Anything with the slightest whiff of anti-Semitism about it would be modded and the poster would soon be banned. Try this. Everywhere you see the word Muslim or Christian susbstitute the word Jew. If you can't do it then there is bias on here.

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04-03-2013 , 09:51 AM
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If true, which I don't believe, that's an indictment of the modding. Anything with the slightest whiff of anti-Semitism about it would be modded and the poster would soon be banned. Try this. Everywhere you see the word Muslim or Christian susbstitute the word Jew. If you can't do it then there is bias on here.
So you keep saying, ad nauseum.

Is there nothing about Islam or any of the religions that you don't like?
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04-03-2013 , 09:59 AM
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If true, which I don't believe, that's an indictment of the modding. Anything with the slightest whiff of anti-Semitism about it would be modded and the poster would soon be banned. Try this. Everywhere you see the word Muslim or Christian susbstitute the word Jew. If you can't do it then there is bias on here.
If true, irrespective of whether you believe it or not, it would demonstrate a lack of prejudice on behalf of the mods.
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04-03-2013 , 10:01 AM
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If true, irrespective of whether you believe it or not, it would demonstrate a lack of prejudice on behalf of the mods.
It woud also mean they're not doing their job at all. Modding should not be about the mods' personal opinions it should be about them doing their job by keeping profanities etc and other offensive posts off the forum.

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04-03-2013 , 10:04 AM
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So you keep saying, ad nauseum.

Is there nothing about Islam or any of the religions that you don't like?
You try it mate. You don't because you know you would be banned straight away.
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04-03-2013 , 10:16 AM
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it should be about them doing their job by keeping profanities etc and other offensive posts off the forum.
Says who?
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04-03-2013 , 10:31 AM
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Says who?
OK you tell me what your job is.
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04-03-2013 , 10:38 AM
I am not a mod in RGT. The subforum I mod it's mostly about deleting spam,the occasional nude pics, pornlinks, discussion about illegal activity etc. From time to time I have to educate other users that trolling and/or insulting other users are frowned upon. The owners of 2+2 give their mods a lot of leeway on how to mod their respective forums, so every subforum has a slightly different set of rules and standards.
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04-03-2013 , 11:03 AM
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You try it mate. You don't because you know you would be banned straight away.
I honestly have no clue what you're talking about here. I asked you what I thought was a simple question and I get a non sequitur in reply.

I give up, I'm going to add you to my ignore list so don't derail or otherwise reduce the quality of any threads trying to reply to my posts because I won't see the replies.
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04-03-2013 , 11:16 AM
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I honestly have no clue what you're talking about here. I asked you what I thought was a simple question and I get a non sequitur in reply.

I give up, I'm going to add you to my ignore list so don't derail or otherwise reduce the quality of any threads trying to reply to my posts because I won't see the replies.
How can you lower the quality of your posts DOWN from Islamophobic hate quotes ?
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04-03-2013 , 12:38 PM
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The latest hot thread seems to be "Was Jesus a bastard". It's a complete joke. You are Jewish. Would you put up with the racism and nasty bigotry if it was directed against your race/religion ? I somehow doubt it. Luckily for you the mods would soon ban anyone that tried that.
I don't put up with racism or bigotry against anyone. As I've said, I've spoken out in threads before against Islamophobia, so the evidence is clearly there. This is of course unrelated to what I said, which is that your posts seem hateful, and even if you're fighting the good fight, I think you're doing it wrong and oppose you.

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How can you lower the quality of your posts DOWN from Islamophobic hate quotes ?
Yes, we think your posts are that bad.
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04-03-2013 , 01:01 PM
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I don't put up with racism or bigotry against anyone. As I've said, I've spoken out in threads before against Islamophobia, so the evidence is clearly there. This is of course unrelated to what I said, which is that your posts seem hateful, and even if you're fighting the good fight, I think you're doing it wrong and oppose you.



Yes, we think your posts are that bad.

What's "hateful" about opposing bigotry and racism ? Be specific because at the moment you are supporting racists and bigots by opposing those with the cojones to stand up against them (that's rarely you yourself unfortunately).
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04-03-2013 , 01:03 PM
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Yes, we think your posts are that bad.

And you call me hateful. Dear me.
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04-03-2013 , 10:24 PM
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What's "hateful" about opposing bigotry and racism ? Be specific because at the moment you are supporting racists and bigots by opposing those with the cojones to stand up against them (that's rarely you yourself unfortunately).
I want to believe you aren't as stupid as this post sounds. Of course there's nothing hateful about opposing bigotry. But, also equally as obvious, one can oppose bigotry with hateful posts. Me attacking your bad posts for being bad has nothing to do with the opposition to bigotry in your posts, and therefore I am in no way supporting bigotry. I really don't understand why this required an explanation.
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