Not many Christians, Muslims or whatever attribute whatever happens in this world to direct acts of God.
What Christians, Muslims or whatever are you talking to?
You've never heard people refer to an act of God? To comfort one another with a reference to "God's plan"? To claim that intercessionary prayer works? To cite the numerous passages in both the Bible and the Koran which refer to God keeping the universe running?
What Christians, Muslims or whatever are you talking to?
You've never heard people refer to an act of God? To comfort one another with a reference to "God's plan"? To claim that intercessionary prayer works? To cite the numerous passages in both the Bible and the Koran which refer to God keeping the universe running?
That was then this is now eg I have not heard anyone say that God was responsible for "Hurricane Sandy".
You will always find a few whackos especially on the internet.
So we agree that when you Cwoc say 'I have not heard preachers saying x' it means something completely different from 'preachers do not say x'. To the tune of 100s of millions of hits.
Now we have your entirely unreliable anecdotal evidence out of the way, perhaps you can point to some official church sources that confirm your assertion that the official position of Abrahamic religions is that God is non-intercessionary.
You will always find a few whackos especially on the internet. Most of the four billion Christians and Muslims do not believe this.
If we're going to play the "let's pull assertions out of our bottoms" game (and it can be fun to play now and then), I would say that the majority, perhaps the vast majority, of the billions of Christians and Muslims do in fact believe that Acts of God such as hurricanes, tsunamis etc, are some form of God's wrath on humans.
I would say that the majority, perhaps the vast majority, of the billions of Christians and Muslims do in fact believe that Acts of God such as hurricanes, tsunamis etc, are some form of God's wrath on humans.
Then I would suggest that you do not live in the real world as you have already shown with your attitude towards Muslims elsewhere on this forum.
1. So we agree that when you Cwoc say 'I have not heard preachers saying x' it means something completely different from 'preachers do not say x'. To the tune of 100s of millions of hits.
Now we have your entirely unreliable anecdotal evidence out of the way, 2. perhaps you can point to some official church sources that confirm your assertion that the official position of Abrahamic religions is that God is non-intercessionary.
1. Hits on the internet means diddly squat. I haven't heard it because I do not seek out odd whackos.
2. That's the position of most theologians and followers these days. No surveys are necessary that's the prevailing view we see from them.
1. Hits on the internet means diddly squat. I haven't heard it because I do not seek out odd whackos.
2. That's the position of most theologians and followers these days. No surveys are necessary that's the prevailing view we see from them.
1. 100s of millions of hits on the internet prove that preachers are doing that thing in that you implied they're not doing because you claim you never heard about it.
2. I accept your admission that you are unable to back up your assertion with any sort of evidence whatsoever.
Not many Christians, Muslims or whatever attribute whatever happens in this world to direct acts of God.
Holy crap, my insurance company diddled me! Tell me, I'd like to take them to court and prove that God does not influence our world any more, can you suggest what evidence I might use?
1. 100s of millions of hits on the internet prove that preachers are doing that thing in that you implied they're not doing because you claim you never heard about it.
2. I accept your admission that you are unable to back up your assertion with any sort of evidence whatsoever.
1. I'm sure you will find a few whackos. It would be amazing if there were none at all. Millions of hits just proves that people are curious about whackos.
2. I have the evidence of living in the real world. Apparently your world is full of Muslims and Christians etc claiming that hurricane Sandy was divine retribution. Either that or you are not being very honest.
1. Hundreds of millions of hits massively contradicts your stated experience, obviously it's convenient for you to claim that's a 'few wackos', the fact remains what you implied doesn't happen...does.
2. Talking of honesty, I notice you've stealthily tried to shift the debate from 'Cwoc states Muslims and Christians don't attribute things to acts of God' to 'Mr Beer says all the Muslims blame Sandy on God'. So back to the zero evidence you can provide to back up your claims? Yep...nothing there...
Perhaps you missed my question. I want to take my insurance company to court because they refused to pay out on a claim, saying that it was an 'Act of God'.
Please can you provide me with the evidence that you must have for you to make the assertion that god no longer involves himself in human affairs.
1. Hundreds of millions of hits massively contradicts your stated experience, obviously it's convenient for you to claim that's a 'few wackos', the fact remains what you implied doesn't happen...does.
2. Talking of honesty, I notice you've stealthily tried to shift the debate from 'Cwoc states Muslims and Christians don't attribute things to acts of God' to 'Mr Beer says all the Muslims blame Sandy on God'. So back to the zero evidence you can provide to back up your claims? Yep...nothing there...
What is your REAL LIFE experience of Christians ? Do they claim God makes it rain etc ? Speaking for myself I haven't seen many Christians or Muslims etc doing rain dances. Hurricane Sandy was brought up by someone else. He thinks that Christians think it's a punishment against gays ?!?! If he used his noddle he would realise that if that was the case it would have happened in San Francisco but you can't reason with logic like that.
PS I've just checked back. The gay thing was quoted by you.
It's just a figure of speech. In insurance it means "just one of those things". The policy will detail what is excluded.
Yes, it details the things that they consider an 'act of god' and won't pay out for. It may be a figure of speech but if I can prove god doesn't intervene in human affairs anymore then they'll have to pay out because there'd be no such thing as an 'act of god'.
Yes, it details the things that they consider an 'act of god' and won't pay out for. It may be a figure of speech but if I can prove god doesn't intervene in human affairs anymore then they'll have to pay out because there'd be no such thing as an 'act of god'.
I need your evidence, what is it?
"Figure of speech" means not to be taken literally. In insurance policies it used to describe unlikely events which are not very foreseeable.
"Figure of speech" means not to be taken literally. In insurance policies it used to describe unlikely events which are not very foreseeable.
I know, I get it, but it's still used as a way to avoid paying claims and I need to prove that god doesn't interfere in human affairs, as you have claimed.
I'm actually starting to doubt that you have any evidence of that. That's three separate times now that you've avoided supplying it.
I know, I get it, but it's still used as a way to avoid paying claims and I need to prove that god doesn't interfere in human affairs, as you have claimed.
I'm actually starting to doubt that you have any evidence of that. That's three separate times now that you've avoided supplying it.
The evidence is in the randomness of events. Gits win millions in lotteries and saintly people get run over by cars etc etc.
The evidence is in the randomness of events. Gits win millions in lotteries and saintly people get run over by cars etc etc.
Yes and children suffer horribly while (according to Splendour) god helps people to win poker tournaments.
However, the religious crowd use the exact same evidence but looked at from their own perspective to prove that god does in fact meddle in human affairs.
What is your REAL LIFE experience of Christians ? Do they claim God makes it rain etc ? Speaking for myself I haven't seen many Christians or Muslims etc doing rain dances.
You ever hear of a Christian congregation praying for rain during drought?
