Are you against animal cruelty?

Is there a humane way to slaughter cows and pigs?

Are we then morally juxtaposed if we choose to not be vegan?

Yes.

I don't know. If there is, the meat industry would probably not implement the humane method unless it didn't adversely impact their bottom line.

Yes. About ten years ago I was a vegetarian (not vegan) for about a year.

Do we need animal protein to survive?

Does it makes sense to kill something if you don’t have to?

Does it make sense to raise something just to kill it for our benefit and taste?

1. We need vitamin B-12, which only occurs naturally in meat, I have been told.

2. It "makes sense" to do a lot of things that we don't have to do. In my opinion, some animals were created by God for people to eat.

3. Jesus ate meat and fish.

Where do cows get their b12?

Wouldn’t God have created a better heart for handling high cholesterol food? (Or a lions short digestive track, claws, and teeth)

Did God create us better equipped for whole food plant based diet? (Long digestive tracts for absorbing nutrients, flat teeth for grinding, and opposable thumbs for picking things of branches)

Does what our ancestors did always match our own current morals or are we ever changing and adapting?

1. Where did oranges get their vitamin-c?

2. God made man "very good", and would have lived forever did he not disobey God. All creation is tainted by the fall.

3. Adam and Eve were vegetarian.

4. A good diet even today would include little or no red meat.

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Well said.

Oh so you don’t like the word “slaughter”?

You know when they kill cows and pigs it’s not called a “kill” house, it’s called a slaughter house..in slaughter houses cows have their jugulars cut to drain the blood first. Pigs and cows will have their balls ripped off with no pain killers etc etc

If you admit to being against cruelty and admit that slaughter is wrong then all of a sudden your morals are no longer aligned with your actions.

Our bodies evolved over many versions of hominids eating meat. The reigning theory how our brains evolved and got so big is because of eating meat and having to sit around thinking of making up new tools and tactics to take down large prey with tons of meat on them. Both the mental challenges of hunting in the ancient world as well as the added protein to the hominid diet allowed the brain the grow much bigger than the previous versions of the hairless ape.


It's pretty simple form a biological standpoint, if you took an omnivore and decided to only feed it a diet with no animal protein you're ignoring how that animal evolved and it's dietary needs and that can easily lead to malnutrition. I could understand if you're arguing to go towards eating bugs or something but if you kicking all animal protein out of your diet you're gonna have a hard time getting the necessary nutrients that are very easy to get from animals and very had to get without them.


If you go vegan I'd consider consulting a real registered dietitian or you may be leading yourself down an unhealthy path. Unless you're a hardcore nutrition geek, as in a real science head about it, it just seems like a bad idea.


Lot's of variables go into having high cholesterol, if you're just blaming it on meat, no offense but I don't think you have the scientific background to properly go vegan without hurting yourself.

https://chriskresser.com/why-you-sho...QbsUSYS2kPHtao



I just happen to run into this article. You can probably do a quick google search and find many sources saying the same thing. It's pretty much in line with what I've been told by people who studied nutrition.



National Institute of health says the same stuff too. This one is a harder read.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5598028/

Well... there goes the Socratic method.

FWIW, I don't mind the word slaughter. It's a lot like laughter.

But do you need animal protein to survive?

Do vegans die when they are nutritionally deficient?

Are any meat eaters deficient in b12 or any other vitamin or nutrient?

Does taste justify killing?

Do you think killing things is a joke?

Do you have morals?

I think killing things is a sober act. But killing isn't nearly the word laughter. Slaughter is.

Probably. Why don't you elaborate a bit on "morals"?

Vegan 2.5 years.. feel great.. lost 30lbs... more energy

A lot of athletes are moving towards plant based diets as well as body builders. You simply don’t need to eat animal protein to survive.

I eat chicken to the glory of God.

Being a vegan is kewl, too.

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I was a vegetarian for about a year. Lost weight and felt great. Might go back to that at some point.

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I’m rooting for you.. I really could just say everyone needs to go vegan there’s Heath benefits.

It’s so hard not to be preachy about this but the longer I’m vegan the more I realize how wrong it is what we are doing. I’m not even some animal activist or anything, don’t even really like pets/animals that much, but just because I see a dog or pig as beneath me it still doesn’t mean I’m going to eat it especially if I know it feels pain.

Everyone’s always like how do you know who’s a vegan.. don’t worry they’ll tell you. But honestly I feel like some equal rights activist in the 60s realizing how fd up segregation is or something. I really think once this gets out it won’t even be legal to eat animal products in the future.

Eating a cow is tantamount to a man clipping his fingernails. The soul/spiritual aspect of an animal is not on the earth but in the "soul realm". If you can imagine the "lion soul" projecting his fingers through a sheet and each individual lion his earth bound aspect( nails) .

The lion doesn't die as a human being, does feel pain in the "soul world" where death does not have any relevance being non existent. The "real lion" is not the lion you see with your senses but as I said in a higher realm.

There is no individuality within the lion earth even thought some can be trained just like dogs or cats ; all lions are basically the same without individuality or soul and spirit.

Something you alluded to earlier as depending upon good health through the vegetarian lifestyle is bordered by digestive size. The longer digestive system allows proper digestion as a vegetarian as per example the Indian Brahmins or other cultures who in an evolutionary sense are able to thrive without flesh.

If a northern European, whose staple is flesh, one would expect a shorter digestive system and in effect an inability to carry the vegetarian nutrition for extended periods of time without ill health.

I am loathe to refer to the animal kingdom but a comparison of the digestive system of the cow with a lion would be in order.

The cow's small intestine is 20 times longer than a cows length( 2 meters to 40 meters); he digests over 3 days.

The lion is a voracious eater and short small intestine and can't find the numbers but the human small intestine is about 6 meters long .

If one rails against meat eaters you must consider that you are asking for the ill health of many who in the long run cannot continue because of a physiological inability to be a vegetarian.

Following a lacto-vegetarian diet is helpful and somewhat grounding as the vegetarian countenance is more ethereal or outer worldly for want of a better word.

Now an interesting consideration is that the cow with his powerful digestive system actually digests for the meat eater upon sacrificing himself for the evening dinner. The cow does digestively, what the human being cannot do. He digests the food, passes it on prepared for human consumption, so to speak. A prayer of thanks for this wonderment before meals would be a nice dietetic.

Are cows sentient beings?

I think many vegans feel the same as pro-lifers, that there's this holocaust going on under our noses.

I was trying to point out that slaughter has a very specific meaning that goes beyond just simply killing. Kill and Slaughter are not synonimous.

See, those would be some of the slaughter parts in their process of being killed.

Interrestingly enough Im exactly the other way around. I dont see animals as beneath me or myself as above something. Yet I dont mind eating it (and vice-versa I dont mind being eaten).

I guess and thats also why Im not a vegan, I consider plants to be "living" beings aswell. Basically with my understanding of the universe I can:
a) Eat nothing because I assume everything to have a kind of soul.
b) Eat everything because I dont differentiate.
c) Eat whatever I feel like in that moment, based on whatever motivations drive me at that time.

Plants aren’t sentient because they don’t posses a central nervous system.. they don’t have nerve endings so there’s a big difference.

Are you still ok with eating sentient beings knowing they have nerve endings almost the equivalent of a human baby? They can communicate on the level of a young toddler

This is an arbitrary standard. But whatever makes you feel better about yourself and superior to others is surely true.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018...nervous-system