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11-27-2010 , 07:08 PM
Just because slavery was culturally accepted when the OT was written doesn't mean the statements it makes arn't amoral.
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11-27-2010 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Just because slavery was culturally accepted when the OT was written doesn't mean the statements it makes arn't amoral.
The bible is about spirituality more than morality.
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11-27-2010 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
You've lost touch with reality.

The NT is an update and Christ said "he who is without sin cast the first stone".

I suggest you check with the Jews but afaik none of them are practicing stoning people today either.
Obviously you are an idiot.. There is no god's message 2.0. You can't just wash your hands and be forgiven. God has killed millions of innocent people in the old testament, he asked to do killing in his name, he was not just and all loving , he was a vicious murderer. Now all of the sudden new message comes out ? God changes his mind and no more killing in his name should be done? Of yes except that justified war against Muslims you just wrote about in the other post... Lol you hypocrite..
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11-27-2010 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by gskowal
Obviously you are an idiot.. There is no god's message 2.0. You can't just wash your hands and be forgiven. God has killed millions of innocent people in the old testament, he asked to do killing in his name, he was not just and all loving , he was a vicious murderer. Now all of the sudden new message comes out ? God changes is mind and no more killing in his name should be done? Of yes except that justified war against Muslims you just wrote about in the other post... Lol you hypocrite..
Engage someone else please.

I'm tired of atheists as they make such glaring mistakes.

I intend to read the theist posters more and respond to them as I'm all burnt out on atheist anger, blaming and non-stop criticism.

I'll make it easy for you and exit your thread.
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11-27-2010 , 07:33 PM
w/o reading a single reply itt i state the following:

OP - threads like this are pointless. you cannot have a real debate with someone who is incapable of seeing past their pov. no matter how hard you think you can "stump" a theist, there is no trump card for "faith" or "the bible" as answers given by a theist in reply to your question (ie "because the bible says so" or "i believe on faith"). although most educated and reasonable people understand that faith and the bible are not real, you are asking a bunch of people who believe they are real, therefore it is impossible for you to get any satisfaction from any answers you receive. unless of course like me, you receive satisfaction by reading what theists have to say and knowing that it is all false, in which case your thread will provide lots of satisfaction.
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11-27-2010 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by donniccolo
w/o reading a single reply itt i state the following:

OP - threads like this are pointless. you cannot have a real debate with someone who is incapable of seeing past their pov. no matter how hard you think you can "stump" a theist, there is no trump card for "faith" or "the bible" as answers given by a theist in reply to your question (ie "because the bible says so" or "i believe on faith"). although most educated and reasonable people understand that faith and the bible are not real, you are asking a bunch of people who believe they are real, therefore it is impossible for you to get any satisfaction from any answers you receive. unless of course like me, you receive satisfaction by reading what theists have to say and knowing that it is all false, in which case your thread will provide lots of satisfaction.
Oh and constellations aren't real, huh?

The Heavens Declare the Glory of God
http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/heavens.html
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11-27-2010 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
Oh and constellations aren't real, huh?

The Heavens Declare the Glory of God
http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/heavens.html
constellations?

point of your link?
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11-27-2010 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
Engage someone else please.

I'm tired of atheists as they make such glaring mistakes.

I intend to read the theist posters more and respond to them as I'm all burnt out on atheist anger, blaming and non-stop criticism.

I'll make it easy for you and exit your thread.
Lol..atheists making the mistakes? Atheist anger? Lol... You fail to provide any answers to the arguments I have given to you , the only thing you continue to say is that we are not reading the bible correctly. Lol sure we aren't, cause it is so hard to see how immoral the god of the old testament was. I have no idea why are you so blind and make such illogical assumptions claiming that god sent his update 2.0 to his holy book. If the god you claim is omniscient then he wont need no updates in his book... But you obviously are to dumb to realize that...
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11-27-2010 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
The bible is about spirituality more than morality.
Sure, but it certainly is also upheld as a at least a moral document if not the source of morality in our society, depending on who you talk to.

When it makes claims or condones actions that we in society completely reject as amoral that is certainly a large problem.
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11-28-2010 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by donniccolo
constellations?

point of your link?
The Gospel is told in the stars.
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11-28-2010 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
Oh and constellations aren't real, huh?
No more then the bunny i saw in the clouds the other day.
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11-28-2010 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
No more then the bunny i saw in the clouds the other day.
A bunny in the clouds isn't equal to a constellation.

A star is a fixed point in the heavens. Celestial navigation evolved from them.

Nobody navigates off clouds.

So comparing your bunny cloud to a constellation is weak to say the least. A cloud is not constant in the heavens for a significant amount of time.
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11-28-2010 , 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
The Gospel is told in the stars.
lol..Splendour you are one deluded person...your arguments are priceless..

hahahahaha! is this a joke? you must be even more deluded then nephilimfree and venomfangx.. you should start posting youtube videos, i would love to see these arguments of yours ending up in "Why do people laugh at creationists?" series.. hahaha
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11-28-2010 , 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
A bunny in the clouds isn't equal to a constellation.

A star is a fixed point in the heavens. Celestial navigation evolved from them.

Nobody navigates off clouds.

So comparing your bunny cloud to a constellation is weak to say the least. A cloud is not constant in the heavens for a significant amount of time.

Stars are not fixed points in the "heavens".

Constellations are imaginary. They are man-made. Primitive people made things up about the things they didn't understand. (Hint)

Constellations change shape over time.
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11-28-2010 , 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
A bunny in the clouds isn't equal to a constellation.

A star is a fixed point in the heavens. Celestial navigation evolved from them.

Nobody navigates off clouds.

So comparing your bunny cloud to a constellation is weak to say the least. A cloud is not constant in the heavens for a significant amount of time.
It was kind of a joke because the idea God arranged the universe around the earth to give us messages in the stars is pretty far out there.

Got to give him props though. Billions of universes and stars all whipping around for billions of years just to line up with us for an infinitesimal amount of time. Thats skill.

Last edited by batair; 11-28-2010 at 01:29 AM.
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11-28-2010 , 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
A bunny in the clouds isn't equal to a constellation.

A star is a fixed point in the heavens. Celestial navigation evolved from them.

Nobody navigates off clouds.

So comparing your bunny cloud to a constellation is weak to say the least. A cloud is not constant in the heavens for a significant amount of time.
the heavens.

this is exactly what i mean. its is impossible to have a rational conversation w/ someone who describes the universe this way.
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11-28-2010 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by VP$IP
Stars are not fixed points in the "heavens".

Constellations are imaginary. They are man-made. Primitive people made things up about the things they didn't understand. (Hint)

Constellations change shape over time.
wik on celestial navigationi:

Celestial navigation, also known as astronavigation, is a position fixing technique that has evolved over several thousand years to help sailors cross oceans without having to rely on estimated calculations, or dead reckoning, to know their position. Celestial navigation uses "sights," or angular measurements taken between a celestial body (the sun, the moon, a planet or a star) and the visible horizon. The sun is most commonly used, but navigators can also use the moon, a planet or one of 57 navigational stars whose coordinates are tabulated in the Nautical Almanac and Air Almanacs.

Below is from this article:http://homeboyastronomy.com/2008/02/...-on-night-sky/

As we know, stars do not move. Stars are like our sun. They are stationary and do not move, but planets and moons do move. They orbit stars. Anyhow, why it looks like that stars move? As you watch the sky in early night, it looks different than later at night. Stars change their position as the night goes on. They start rising in early evening, reach the highest position after midnight and finally go below the horizon in early morning. Only the circumpolar stars do not go below horizon, but also their position in our night sky changes
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11-28-2010 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
Below is from this article:http://homeboyastronomy.com/2008/02/...-on-night-sky/

As we know, stars do not move. Stars are like our sun. They are stationary and do not move, but planets and moons do move. They orbit stars. Anyhow, why it looks like that stars move? As you watch the sky in early night, it looks different than later at night. Stars change their position as the night goes on. They start rising in early evening, reach the highest position after midnight and finally go below the horizon in early morning. Only the circumpolar stars do not go below horizon, but also their position in our night sky changes

lol... as always you just look some website up, do not even check it's source and try to see if it is correct and think it is.. This sums up why you also are a religious man, you are gullible and swallow any information you come across... so here's where you should have gone to read about stars.. stars are not fixed.. you should stop reading websites that talk nonsense and start reading official websites that actually have correct information..

www.space.com

"The stars may look fixed, but that is an illusion of time and space. They are so far away the human eye alone cannot detect their motions on the sky.

ASK THE ASTRONOMER
Have a question for columnist Jeff Kanipe? Now you can Ask the Astronomer.
Their apparent motion, measured over a year's time, is referred to by astronomers as annual proper motion. Because they are nearby, stars nearest the sun exhibit the greatest proper motion, while those at more remote distances appear virtually fixed. The amount of positional change is so small it is expressed in the angular value of arcseconds. One arcsecond is roughly equal to the size of a quarter seen from a distance of about 3 miles (4.8 kilometers).

Proper motion is a combination of the star's true direction and velocity in space, as well as its motion relative to our solar system. In our part of the Milky Way, stars move at an average velocity of about 15 miles (24 kilometers) per second. The sun, too, moves through space at about 12 miles (19 kilometers) per second toward the constellation Hercules.

Some stars, however, move at more impressive speeds. Arcturus, the brightest star in the western evening sky, shifts its position on the sky by 2.3 arcseconds each year. In 5,000 years, it will have moved 3 degrees on the sky -- an amount equivalent to six full moons -- in the direction of the constellation Virgo. At Arcturus' distance of 32 light-years this motion translates into a space velocity of about 90 miles per second, making Arcturus one of the fastest-moving first-magnitude stars in the sky.

The stars only look frozen. If we could reduce several million years of their motion to a minute's time, we would see many of the brighter ones racing across the sky like meteors. There really is no such thing as a fixed star."
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11-28-2010 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by gskowal
lol... as always you just look some website up, do not even check it's source and try to see if it is correct and think it is.. This sums up why you also are a religious man, you are gullible and swallow any information you come across... so here's where you should have gone to read about stars.. stars are not fixed.. you should stop reading websites that talk nonsense and start reading official websites that actually have correct information..

www.space.com

"The stars may look fixed, but that is an illusion of time and space. They are so far away the human eye alone cannot detect their motions on the sky.

ASK THE ASTRONOMER
Have a question for columnist Jeff Kanipe? Now you can Ask the Astronomer.
Their apparent motion, measured over a year's time, is referred to by astronomers as annual proper motion. Because they are nearby, stars nearest the sun exhibit the greatest proper motion, while those at more remote distances appear virtually fixed. The amount of positional change is so small it is expressed in the angular value of arcseconds. One arcsecond is roughly equal to the size of a quarter seen from a distance of about 3 miles (4.8 kilometers).Proper motion is a combination of the star's true direction and velocity in space, as well as its motion relative to our solar system. In our part of the Milky Way, stars move at an average velocity of about 15 miles (24 kilometers) per second. The sun, too, moves through space at about 12 miles (19 kilometers) per second toward the constellation Hercules.

Some stars, however, move at more impressive speeds. Arcturus, the brightest star in the western evening sky, shifts its position on the sky by 2.3 arcseconds each year. In 5,000 years, it will have moved 3 degrees on the sky -- an amount equivalent to six full moons -- in the direction of the constellation Virgo. At Arcturus' distance of 32 light-years this motion translates into a space velocity of about 90 miles per second, making Arcturus one of the fastest-moving first-magnitude stars in the sky.

The stars only look frozen. If we could reduce several million years of their motion to a minute's time, we would see many of the brighter ones racing across the sky like meteors. There really is no such thing as a fixed star."
And now you are using science to nitpick and personal attack.

Whether there's a small movement or not writing the Gospel in the stars is still something only God could do.

Last edited by Splendour; 11-28-2010 at 10:20 AM.
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11-28-2010 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
And now you are using science to nitpick and personal attack.

Whether there's a small movement or not writing the Gospel in the stars is still something only God could do.
LOL.. troll.. you just made a claim trying to point out to VP$IP that the stars are fixed.. now when I prove to you that you were wrong, you go on defensive claiming I`m nitpicking? Yes, we atheists love to nitpick and cherry pick, don't we?

Last edited by gskowal; 11-28-2010 at 10:46 AM.
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11-28-2010 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
...writing the Gospel in the stars is still something only God could do.
this is a level right?
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11-28-2010 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by donniccolo
this is a level right?
The Gospel is in the stars: http://www.bibletruthonline.com/them...fthezodiac.htm
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11-28-2010 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by gskowal
LOL.. troll.. you just made a claim trying to point out to VP$IP that the stars are fixed.. now when I prove to you that you were wrong, you go on defensive claiming I`m nitpicking? Yes, we atheists love to nitpick and cherry pick, don't we?
If the shoe fits...
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11-28-2010 , 02:24 PM
Splendour you are ******* crazy, that is all.
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11-28-2010 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Aftermath
Splendour you are ******* crazy, that is all.
Unbelievers always say "Why won't God provide a sign?"

Well the answer is: He did and the whole world can see it.
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