Questions for theists, I want to see what answers will i get...

1.Why is the one who knows all and supposedly one who knows what's best not able to control his emotions? He says himself that he is jealous and vengeful.
"Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;"

2.I know many of Christians keep insisting that the 6day creation is not meant to be literal since it is proven to be wrong, but this quote seems to contradict their line of thinking. It actually repeats that the 6 days were literal and that is why the seventh day should be holy.

"But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

3.Why would an almighty being need this ****? Offerings? Seriously?why? How does this sound different and sane then any other crazy religion ?
"An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee."

4.God doesn't mind slavery? Hmmm , so this is where you get your morals from guys?
"If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing."

5.God is ok with fathers selling their daughters? WTF?
" And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do."

6.Is he serious?
"And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death."

7.How come guys don't go around killing people with other religious views as your required to do so by god?
"He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed"

8.lol....damn you Harry Potter
"*Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."

9.strange?yes
"Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death."

How can one take this book seriously?

I only feel like answering #1 right now...

If im not mistaken this was the verse that Oprah read and said she didnt wanna serve that God or somethin, anyways....

but its just sayin that there is only one true God and the rest are just fugazy's so dont serve them. The only true God is the one talked about in the Bible. satan's plan is to try and take as many people he can to hell with him just to spite God. Also because he prob doesnt think God will punish his creation in hell for all eternity and he is trying to get out of his fate, which he knows is the lake of fire. God didnt create hell for mankind, but for only satan and the fallen angels, so when someone goes to hell its like satan stole that person from God.

Troll vs troll! WHO WILL WIN!?!?!?!

http://www.freesound.org/samplesViewSingle.php?id=45654

How is this trolling?

Huh?.. This is one funny story.

because of this sound bite, I think this is my favorite post of yours. good stuff.

It can't be literally true since it contradicts things we have learnt about the world. Therefore, if you believe it to be inspired by God and to contain truth, you must also believe it is not intended to be read literally.
Because it's useful to do so.

One day the whole book will make no sense and the believers will say it is one big metaphor. These people will change their story as many times as they need to so the story does not look like one big myth... I'm surprised why isn't the bible getting the same treatment as the other religions we now consider mythologies. We can do the same with them and claim , that the stories about Greek Gods were also to be taken as metaphors and not literally, and now all of the sudden they also get to escape the myth section.

I think it's much more useful to treat any sacred text as a myth, not as some collection of literal facts.

That is a common ground.

I'm guessing because He has no need to and doesn't want to.

It has not been proven wrong. It's essentially an observationally unfalsifiable claim, like a claim that the entire universe just popped into existence "as is" 3 seconds ago is observationally unfalsifiable.

This goes into the round file with all the other questions requiring unrevealed knowledge of God's motives.

Quoting the Old Covenant as if it applied now fail.

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Much of the Bible can't be literally true because it is clearly written in the conventionalized language of widely-used metaphorical genres of its time.

Concerto pretty well handled that.

The problem with this is that an all knowing being should know that jealousy and vengefulness is not a good characteristic of a being. Are you saying that he is not any better with his judgment then an average human? Even some of us are better in controlling the emotions then he is.


The evidence shows us that a literal 6 day creation is impossible.

So no matter how silly the actions he wants us to do, you still think that if the omniscient being exists he would want us to waste our time on them?

Jesus said that the laws are everlasting. But even if your god changed his mind , which is hard to believe that an omniscient being would not know any better the first time around, this shows he did not condemn slavery some time in the past. What moral being does not find slavery wrong? Taking away human freedom?


Againg, he asked for it. I can't believe that the biggest scientist and clear thinker would ever ask for things like that..

So you are saying that the writers at that time wrote all of this so that no one would be clearly able to understand it? God himself decides to write such a story that sounds like a fairy tale and contradicts reality and then wants to send those who don't find it true to eternal punishment?

In your opinion. In God's opinion, God having that characteristic is just fine.

This is wrong though I'll give you a chance to cite your claim.

I don't get this question. God does not want us to do silly actions.

This is also incorrect. Jesus said the law would remain until "heaven and earth" passed away. He gave a timetable for that happening too, which was during the generation then living.

Today, no moral being does not find slavery wrong. Thousands of years ago, slavery was a widely accepted norm, including by God.

Obviously not. It was very comprehensible to contemporary audiences.

Actually, fairytales came long after God's decision to create the Bible. If you don't believe what's in it, you don't get into His heaven. That is the extent of eternal punishment: death.

Well, that's not GOD's opinion really, it is your's and the opinion of the writers...

The creation of the universe and all live in it did not take 6 days and that's backed up by science...

Oh yes he does... burning animals so that he could smell them and see the flow of blood is silly, asking people not to shave is silly, asking people not to mix fabrics is silly, asking people to stone someone because they curse their parents is silly, asking to stone "witches" is silly... should I go on?

Has it passed away? No, so why do you not follow the laws supposedly given by god in the first place?

LoL.. so GOD accepted it as normal few thousand years ago, but today he changed his mind? lol.. Human slavery was wrong in the past and it is wrong now, GOD should have known better... Are you trying to say that his moral standing has changed? I though GOD is supposed to know what is best in the first place and he makes no mistakes... This is pretty much a good evidence that the god described in the bible is a creation of the people who lived in those times, their moral criteria matched their GOD's.

None of them though of BIG BANG and theory of EVOLUTION when they read the 6 day creation, all of them took it literally.

What?? Story telling is older then the bible.. Bible is about 2500 years old, story telling? much older.. It is hard to believe in stories that make no sense, have contradictions, and lack evidence. Just because GOD failed to write a good book why should I be punished? It is as if I should be punished because someone's message wasn't clear or convincing..

What you say here is true. There is no way to prove one way or another the origin of the universe. However, current scientific observation weighs heavily on the side of the observable universe being billions of years old and that the earth was created in a process that also took billions of years.

What evidence is out there to support the claim that the earth was created in 6 days that hasn't clearly been refuted?

The known decay rates of radioactive materials yield reliable ages.

When igneous rocks crystallize, the newly formed minerals contain various amounts of chemical elements, some of which have radioactive isotopes. These isotopes decay within the rocks according to their half-life rates, and by selecting the appropriate minerals (those that contain potassium, for instance) and measuring the relative amounts of parent and daughter isotopes in them, the date at which the rock crystallized can be determined. Most of the large igneous rock masses of the world have been dated in this manner.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/geotime/radiometric.html

Cliff notes:
The dates calculated using known radioactive half-lives match reliable historical dates.

Earth is about 4.5 billion years old.

That does not match the Biblical time line.

Much the same evidence that the universe was created (more or less "as is") in 6 seconds about an hour ago, simply because such claims are inherently not refutable or confirmable through observation.

Hence the reason why these claims are discarded as nonsense.

People do all sorts of things without empirical basis. Recognizing the limitations of your knowledge is part of the pursuit of real science as opposed to the mythologizing stagecraft of scienciness.

Where is this timeline given in the bible?

Start with Genesis 5

Pious religious folk used this to calculate 1656 years from creation to the flood.

Let us know if you get a different number.

There is also the Bible lineage from David to Jesus.

Jesus has not been seen or heard from for over 2000 years.

Religious zealots have used all of this to calculate the age of the earth. Some of them have math degrees.

Approx 4000 years before Jesus, and 2000 years after.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Earth_creationism

I have rounded it off somewhat, because of the metric system, and this.

So the bible does not give a time line then.

Many Christians say that it does. For example
http://www.abiblestudy.com/

although the guise who wrote Genesis were not that advanced. They were goat herders.

Here you go ...

3And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, and after his image; and called his name Seth:

4And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

5And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

6And Seth lived an hundred and five years, and begat Enos:

7And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters:

8And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.

9And Enos lived ninety years, and begat Cainan:

10And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters:

11And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.

12And Cainan lived seventy years and begat Mahalaleel:

13And Cainan lived after he begat Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begat sons and daughters:

14And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.

15And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begat Jared:

16And Mahalaleel lived after he begat Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters:

17And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.

18And Jared lived an hundred sixty and two years, and he begat Enoch:

19And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:

20And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.

21And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:

22And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:

23And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:

24And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

25And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech.

26And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters:

27And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.

28And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years, and begat a son:

29And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.

30And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters:

31And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.

32And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

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23 Now Jesus himself was about thirty years old when he began his ministry. He was the son, so it was thought, of Joseph,

the son of Heli, 24 the son of Matthat,

the son of Levi, the son of Melki,

the son of Jannai, the son of Joseph,

25 the son of Mattathias, the son of Amos,

the son of Nahum, the son of Esli,

the son of Naggai, 26 the son of Maath,

the son of Mattathias, the son of Semein,

the son of Josek, the son of Joda,

27 the son of Joanan, the son of Rhesa,

the son of Zerubbabel, the son of Shealtiel,

the son of Neri, 28 the son of Melki,

the son of Addi, the son of Cosam,

the son of Elmadam, the son of Er,

29 the son of Joshua, the son of Eliezer,

the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat,

the son of Levi, 30 the son of Simeon,

the son of Judah, the son of Joseph,

the son of Jonam, the son of Eliakim,

31 the son of Melea, the son of Menna,

the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan,

the son of David, 32 the son of Jesse,

the son of Obed, the son of Boaz,

the son of Salmon,[a] the son of Nahshon,

33 the son of Amminadab, the son of Ram,[b]

the son of Hezron, the son of Perez,

the son of Judah, 34 the son of Jacob,

the son of Isaac, the son of Abraham,

the son of Terah, the son of Nahor,

35 the son of Serug, the son of Reu,

the son of Peleg, the son of Eber,

the son of Shelah, 36 the son of Cainan,

the son of Arphaxad, the son of Shem,

the son of Noah, the son of Lamech,

37 the son of Methuselah, the son of Enoch,

the son of Jared, the son of Mahalalel,

the son of Kenan, 38 the son of Enosh,

the son of Seth, the son of Adam,

the son of God.

Didn't you go to Sunday School?

I knew what you were referring to, and I know how to add. My question was whether or not the bible had a time line. It does not. How much do you know about ancient genealogies?

Also, beware of any site that says to use, or uses the KJV of the bible.