My math teacher and my calculator says that 0 * 1 = 0.
But if 0 * 1 always equal zero (i.e: nothing can never become something), then where did the big bang come from?

So 0 * 1 = 1?
Noble prize?

Didn't we just have this discussion?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/13...q-1-a-1664407/

This is supposed to be some kind of gotcha for people that do not believe in a Creator? Science has its limits, but it has answered more questions than all the Gods combined.

It does not seem likely that the big mystery's of the Universe will be solved by science in this life time. If we survive then what will we know in ten thousand years? or a hundred? or a million? Maybe we will find a supreme being and maybe will be able to converse with it as a equal.

No "gotcha". Because "if a Creator created the universe... who created the Creator?"

This is a simple math problem -- no "gods" necessary.
I am simply interested in what science (so far) has to say about the cause of big bang.

I believe you will find the answers you're seeking in the Science, Math, and Philosophy forum.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/47...th-philosophy/

I'm doubtful that answers will be found there, especially if he doesn't first figure out how to re-frame the question so that it doesn't come off as just being trollish.

Nobody reasonably claims that 0*1 = 0 has any profound meaning about the universe. And if that's the starting point of your argument or line of questioning, it's not going very far.

I take one apple and plant the seeds from it to grow apple trees and thousands of apples. Does this mean that 1 = 1000s?

More seriously, scientists don't know what caused the Big Bang. They have some speculative theories, some of which include a version of something from nothing. This doesn't contradict basic number theory (which is not really about metaphysics anyway).

I hate backing up a bad post but this is a really bad analogy. If you don't add anything to the apple seed (water, light etc), it won't grow into thousands of apples.

Depending on the curvature of the universe and the negative/positive energy components the universe can be (and I believe is presumed by many physicist) 0 energy. Gravity is negative energy and cancels out matter/positive energy.

So the universe can be nothing and easily come from nothing. Basically like a particle and anti-particle can spontaneously be created in pairs.

I think they can model universe after some small fraction of second after the big bang,the problem to solve is what is going on in that fraction and btw is not simple math problem at all I m pretty sure about that xD

Idea of classical Causality probably dosnt work that good when you come to quantum phenomena.

Numbers and operators are typically defined by what they do, not what they are (saying that the number 2 is the number 2 therefore it is the number 2 isn't wrong, but terribly uninteresting). For example when you say you have 2 apples you aren't attributing some magical property to your apples or saying anything about how your apples are or what their traits are, you are merely counting your apples.

In the same vein So 0*1=0 doesn't tell you that "nothing can never become something", it merely tells you something about what the numbers 0 and 1 do when you multiply them.

Applying mathematics also requires some kind of explanation (most of physics for example, is based on empirical explanations) as to why you choose to use a certain number or operator. You haven't adequately explained how or why the number zero adequately explains nothing, why you are multiplying or where the number 1 comes from or why this translates the way you claim it does.