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03-02-2010 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Janabis
Indeed, even if there were a creator, it would be very surprising if it even knew that human beings exist.
This is actually pretty good.
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03-02-2010 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds
What I do believe is that we should stop believing that we are so significant and that we deserve anything.
So your like an atheist now, cool.
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03-02-2010 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
So your like an atheist now, cool.
Yea... I'm a semi-soft atheist who believes in God.
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03-02-2010 , 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds
I don't look at it that way at all. To me... it's a bigger case for God.
See...we like to think we are soooooo important (humans on Earth)...we want to believe that this God is sitting above our clouds playing chess with us.
I don't believe that at all. For all we know....there's another BILLION places just like this one. Maybe on that planet, the humans don't have free will but they have wings. There's another one where they look like those blue people in Avatar.
My point it that I don't believe this God in only watching planet Earth and I don't believe that the rest of the galaxies were made just for fun. What I do believe is that we should stop believing that we are so significant and that we deserve anything.
We're all the star of our own movie. When we die, the movie ends.

I suppose it's natural to worry about the credits.
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03-02-2010 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds
Although that was almost funny.... if you had really looked at it... and read it.. it makes a good case for God.

Don't be a hater.
Big things are big and small things are small, therefore, God exists.

Iron. Clad.
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03-02-2010 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by rizeagainst
If we're insignificant (and we are) isn't that evidence AGAINST a special magic man in the sky using his magical powers to create us as his children, and that the rest of the contents of the cosmos don't have such a purpose?
Also, pretty much this.
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03-02-2010 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by rizeagainst
If we're insignificant (and we are) isn't that evidence AGAINST a special magic man in the sky using his magical powers to create us as his children, and that the rest of the contents of the cosmos don't have such a purpose?

Yea....the entire 200 billion galaxy universe was made by a magical man in the sky for the sole purpose of testing the character of his monkey children (which, by definition he should already know) in one of the galaxies, the rest he just made for fun, makes sense.

Maybe its there for us to colonize it.
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03-02-2010 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu Pidasso
Maybe its there for us to colonize it.
Now there's a man that thinks outside the box !
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03-02-2010 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds
Now there's a man that thinks outside the box !
I just think it silly to use the size of the universe as evidence that God does not exist. God could have all kinds of reasons for making the universe the size that it is.
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03-02-2010 , 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu Pidasso
I just think it silly to use the size of the universe as evidence that God does not exist. God could have all kinds of reasons for making the universe the size that it is.
You are wise beyond your years.
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03-02-2010 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu Pidasso
I just think it silly to use the size of the universe as evidence that God does not exist. God could have all kinds of reasons for making the universe the size that it is.
and I think its silly to use the size of the universe as evidence that God does exist. But that doesn't stop your butt buddy JD from thinking its not.
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03-02-2010 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu Pidasso
I just think it silly to use the size of the universe as evidence that God does not exist. God could have all kinds of reasons for making the universe the size that it is.
It's not an argument that God doesn't exist per se. However, it doesn't quite fit in with the conception of many religions that humans are God's focus and the most important things in the unierse yada yada.



By the way Joey, when do you tell us. "ha ha, I don't really believe any of the stuff I wrote ITT, I levelled y'all again! just wanted to get ya yappin'!"
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03-02-2010 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
It's not an argument that God doesn't exist per se. However, it doesn't quite fit in with the conception of many religions that humans are God's focus and the most important things in the unierse yada yada.
Do you think Christian dogma teaches that humans are more important to God than angels?
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03-02-2010 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
It's not an argument that God doesn't exist per se. However, it doesn't quite fit in with the conception of many religions that humans are God's focus and the most important things in the unierse yada yada.



By the way Joey, when do you tell us. "ha ha, I don't really believe any of the stuff I wrote ITT, I levelled y'all again! just wanted to get ya yappin'!"
Grow up...seriously. It's tiring.
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Originally Posted by rizeagainst
If we're insignificant (and we are) isn't that evidence AGAINST a special magic man in the sky using his magical powers to create us as his children, and that the rest of the contents of the cosmos don't have such a purpose?

Yea....the entire 200 billion galaxy universe was made by a magical man in the sky for the sole purpose of testing the character of his monkey children (which, by definition he should already know) in one of the galaxies, the rest he just made for fun, makes sense.
Wow Aro...are you saying he is wrong?
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03-02-2010 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu Pidasso
Maybe its there for us to colonize it.
It is a wonder of wonder how you think that all the galaxies in the universe are "there for humans to colonize" yet you call OTHER people arrogant. Maybe they're just there Stu. Not every present under the christmas tree is for you.
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03-02-2010 , 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeyDiamonds
Grow up...seriously. It's tiring.
ha ha, I see what you did there.

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Wow Aro...are you saying he is wrong?
Who rize? though I'd phrase it differently I pretty much agree with what he said.
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03-02-2010 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu Pidasso
I just think it silly to use the size of the universe as evidence that God does not exist. God could have all kinds of reasons for making the universe the size that it is.
itd be much easier to colonize it if everything wasnt moving away from everything else so gosh darn fast!
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03-02-2010 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by zugzwang83
itd be much easier to colonize it if everything wasnt moving away from everything else so gosh darn fast!
Pretty sure Stu doesn't know anything about science, he definitely doesn't know that
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03-03-2010 , 12:52 AM
The universe will never be explored even close. God created it so vast and huge to TRY and help the big inflated ego intellects to understand that something bigger than them does exist. - Pletho
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03-03-2010 , 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by BigErf
The universe will never be explored even close. God created it so vast and huge to TRY and help the big inflated ego intellects to understand that something bigger then them does exist. - Pletho
It's funny, because it tends to be theists who inflate their importance in the universe. Atheists I find are quite comfortable with their insignificance.
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03-03-2010 , 12:58 AM
let me first begin by stating the ƒact that iƒ you all understand how small we are compared to the observable universe then its obvious that what we think we know is clearly extremely ƒar ƒrom what actually is true
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03-03-2010 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Arouet
Atheists I find are quite comfortable with their insignificance.
Yet they battle quite profusely for this insignificance.
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03-03-2010 , 01:03 AM
iƒ we are going to begin to analyze existence, then coming ƒrom the point oƒ view that what we think we know can be applied to what is actually going on is extremely naive. existence can only be analyzed once we unlearn everything that society has ƒorced unto our own minds.

ƒirst oƒ all, seperation, meaning the supposed ƒact that 'god', the sun, the galaxy on the other side oƒ the universe, is all seperate ƒrom us an in ƒact diƒƒerent entities is completely ******ed an idea. it is plainly obvious that everything in the whole oƒ existence is connected and bound in some way.
so theres no need to question why we are experiencing all oƒ this, because really, it makes no diƒƒerence regardless oƒ how hard you try to ƒigure it out.


live, love, share, bring as positive energy as possible unto existence and just boast in the glory and amazingness oƒ*it all.
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03-03-2010 , 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Agentduque
let me first begin by stating the ƒact that iƒ you all understand how small we are compared to the observable universe then its obvious that what we think we know is clearly extremely ƒar ƒrom what actually is true
It doesn't mean that what we "know" through science is wrong, it means that what we "know" through science is an extremely small amount in relation to the amount of things it doesn't/can't currently know.
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03-03-2010 , 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Agentduque
existence can only be analyzed once we unlearn everything that society has ƒorced unto our own minds.
I don't know how else to take it, however I think taken literally this is impossible (ie I don't think newborns can analyse existence).

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ƒirst oƒ all, seperation, meaning the supposed ƒact that 'god', the sun, the galaxy on the other side oƒ the universe, is all seperate ƒrom us an in ƒact diƒƒerent entities is completely ******ed an idea. it is plainly obvious that everything in the whole oƒ existence is connected and bound in some way.
Being connected in some way doesnt imply things aren't separate.

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so theres no need to question why we are experiencing all oƒ this, because really, it makes no diƒƒerence regardless oƒ how hard you try to ƒigure it out.
This is demonstrably untrue.

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live, love, share, bring as positive energy as possible unto existence and just boast in the glory and amazingness oƒ*it all.
By what you said above, it makes no difference, so why do this?
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