Satan. Created by God perfect and good or evil?

God created sin, evil and iniquity along with all things.

Ephesians 3:8-10
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

.Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Ezekiel 28:15 (King James Version)
15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

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There seems to be something wrong with the logic of these verses.

Was God surprised to find what He had created?

We are told that perfection begets perfection in a never ending line in Math 7 18, yet imperfection in the form of iniquity surfaced in Satan. It must have been put there by God Himself if Eph 3 8 is to be believed.

God is said to have somehow found it but as the creator of all things, He must have created it and placed it within Satan. Presumably to surface and have God find it. It could not have been lost to God so why the Bible uses the word found is perplexing.

We have to believe then that Satan was created exactly as he was meant to be. Perfect as God is only capable of, yet, having evil, sin and iniquity as part of his perfection.

If so, it seems strange that God is later said in scripture to cast Satan into hell.

Matthew 25:41 (Jesus speaking)epart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

If God gave Satan his nature and Satan followed His God given nature, as he must, then why would God curse His perfect creation seeing as how perfection cannot change to imperfection?
If it can and God is also perfect then that would mean that God could also turn to imperfection.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHj0dtSwxqQ

For either God or Satan.

Can you shed some light on this issue?

You should know that I do not have much of a problem with the above because I think more as the Hebrews and Jews think. That being that Satan was never evil and was more of God’s Loyal opposition and that Genesis was not the fall of man but man’s ascension to having a moral sense that comes with the knowledge of good and evil.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_sat2.htm

Regards
DL

inb4 lock

war is peace

inb4 Free Will.

Free will.

Free will....!
Darn... beat me to it.

so ... angels have free will? then why would god even need to create humans then?

Not according to my theological system of belief. Angels don't, man (and Jinn) does.

Who said that God needed to create humans? It was His desire to create humans, but it was not a "need."

If you are using the King James version you will find that it differs from the Hebrew Bible, the Coptic Bible, as well as the Bible translated from the Dead Sea Scrolls. Both the Russian and Greek Orthodox Bible is probably different as well I can not attest to this as I have not compared them to the K.J.B..

The "Books of Enoch" is not in the K.J.B. but they are in the Ethiopian Bible, and Enoch may answerr your questions.

For me it is simple the devil is the accuser of all men, as well as being the father of lies. When Christ descended into Hell after his Crucifixtion, He rose in victory over the Devil. Some see the devil as the prosecuter of men, on Judgement Day. Since Jesus defeated hym he is our defender before His Father.

The devil did not create sin he did influence original sin. He has no power when he tries to influence a believer. The reason he has no power is because Jesus died for our sins of yesterday, today, and tommorrow. The believer who can put on the full armor of God has a defense. It is our descion to sin, the devil made me do it is not an adequate defense. Are believers free from sin because of their belief? No because we are tempted daily to sin if not more often. The Grace of God passes all understanding so if a believer backslides, as the Baptists put it and he freely confesses his sin to God he is forgiven. Does that mean we as believers should sin when tempted? Absolutely not as when we accept Jesus into our hearts we are born again, and are new men, or women. I realized that i should have included both sexes from the begining.

The truly hard part of sin is that Jesus said that the thought is the same as the deed. here is a good example. You are a happily married man. A woman as attractive as Bridget Bardo walks towards you and passes you. The biological imperative makes you notice her, our old sin nature pops up and you think carnal thoughts about her. That is a sin, but not one we purposely wanted to do, You did not go have a lap dance, or watch prnography on purpose. So if at the end of your day you ask for forgiveness for the sin and wrong you have done by thought,word, deed, or omission you will be forgiven. Did the devil send that lady along your path I do not believe so. However the devil will bring up any sin that he can think of or lie about before God. We who have Christ on our side do not have to worry about the accusations as Jesus is our Savior.

All of this may not be as academic an answer for your questions but as I am a simple believer I just thought that I would give my opinion.

http://community.history.com/reply/2...d-or-evil.html

We also know that God created some angels as "elect" - unable to sin. And Satan with all his power and knowledge was created with free-will, and able to sin. I think that's odd.

According to my understanding of the Bible, Satan is always a human being, never an angel of any sort. God's only enemy (or satan) is man.

1 Kings 11:14 Then the LORD raised up against Solomon an adversary, Hadad the Edomite, from the royal line of Edom.

"adversary" = satan, a Hebrew word meaning an opponent

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satan = accuser in Hebrew.

Not according to Strong's Concordance (at least not this version). What is your source?

Edit: Actually, it is a possible definition though not a major one.

http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/strong...&isindex=satan

no one. if he didn't need to, he didnt need to.

ok, so then why did he "desire" to create humans? if he wanted a sentient being with free will who could free choose to worship Him or free choose to good against Him, why would God "desire" (strange that an O3 God would desire something so petty, but i digress), to create *another* type of sentient being just like angels?

Except, these sentient beings get to live in this ****ed up place known as "earth", and God sits back and watches us kill each other ... oh and then millions of years later, sends His "Son" to redeem us, and then disappears into the vast nothing since then.

Ok that last part was a pointless rant, but seriously, what differentiates humans and angels? where is the biblical support for angels having/needing/being given free will?

who is lucifer then, iyo?

Lucifer was also a man, Biblical speaking.

Isaiah 14:4-12 That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased! The LORD hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers. He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth. The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing. Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, Since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us. Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us? Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Dude...seriously.... what is your objective?

You are trolling many sites posting the same crap?

you obviously don't really want answers because if you did...you would do the SEARCH and find that most of your BS topics have been beaten to ....

OH CRAP!

I got leveled!

The name lucifer comes from lucem ferre meaning light bearer

Free will from God. LOL.

Free will God style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotat...&v=aUtSM2oVy_E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotat...&v=Nv9IvCpiHxA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotat...&v=H0wSjJAsrAk

If God gave a hoot about the free will that He supposedly gave us, He sure is an Indian giver all over the O T where He tramples all over man’s free will to live as He went about killing us at Sodom and using genocide on us in Noah‘s day.

Regards
DL

If He does not need our love and compliance to His rules then why does He get upset when He does not get it and send is to everlasting torture?

Regards
DL

Thanks for showing your belief in dogma and fantasy and showing yourself to be a litaralist of fundamental.

It is my view that all literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us who are Religionists.
They all hurt their parent religions and everyone else who has a belief. They make us all into laughing stocks and should rethink their position. There is a God but not the God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HKHa...x=0&playnext=1

They also do much harm to their own.

African witches and Jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9...eature=related

Jesus Camp 1of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOqGhcwwE1s

I do not believe in your dragon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDbesQQi9yc

Regards
DL

I think that belief in a creator God on just hear say or Bible say is odd.

Regards
DL

The Hebrew and Jews were always brighter than Christians who plagiarized their scriptures and turned them upside down.

Regards
DL