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Are you sure? How do you know this for sure? What evidence do you have that every single Medium that currently or has in the past walked this earth is just someone with "people-smarts"?

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01-13-2011 , 03:07 PM

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luckyme

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Originally Posted by Goodie

Are you sure? How do you know this for sure? What evidence do you have that every single Medium that currently or has in the past walked this earth is just someone with "people-smarts"?

Remedial reading may help you.
That it's been shown many times to be easy to do ( you could do it yourself if you have good observational skills and are a bit quick-witted), shows that mediuming doesn't prove the need for any extra forces to be at work.
Which is what you are claiming.
That it doesn't need it has already been proven.

I can prove it doesn't have to be raining for me to come in from outside all wet. That doesn't disprove rain. Your claim is that it MUST be raining because I came in wet.

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01-13-2011 , 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by luckyme

That's not my claim at all. There is a fundamental flaw in your reasoning. Your saying that just because people have claimed to be mediums and used the skills that you talk about to convince others, that there are not real mediums out there that actually do talk to the deceased. Just because some mediums are frauds does not mean that all mediums are frauds. That's a claim you cannot make.

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01-13-2011 , 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Goodie

Exactly the opposite, .. again.. sigh.
I am replying to YOUR claim that "mediuming happened, therefore something mysterious happened."
Nothing mysterious needs to happen to be an outstanding medium.

You need to prove that it does require something mysterious ( after it's been shown that it doesn't). good luck.

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01-13-2011 , 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by luckyme

I'm not here to "prove" anything. In fact, I am of the belief that when it comes to matters of Religious beliefs nothing is ever proven. All I'm saying is that for me, the sheer number of mediums and the experiences I've had surrounding them lead me to believe that it's somewhat likely that they are not ALL frauds. I absolutely, positively and in every way may be wrong. That's what I believe though. And it's evidence for me of an afterlife although that one fact has not even come remotely close to convincing me fully that there actually is an afterlife.

That's all.

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01-13-2011 , 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Goodie

We have very differing basis for thinking something is true.
If I see a table mysteriously rising, and later find out about magnets involved, the next table rising is going to have to prove to me it doesn't use magnets ... not the other way around.
In other words, when I have a tested explanation, I don't feel the need to postulate untested ones even though I may be open to multiple causes.

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01-13-2011 , 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Goodie

Are you sure? How do you know this for sure? What evidence do you have that every single Medium that currently or has in the past walked this earth is just someone with "people-smarts"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCNUvA1wQTU

And watch an expert giving up his secret: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xswt8...eature=related

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01-13-2011 , 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KB24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCNUvA1wQTU

And watch an expert giving up his secret: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xswt8...eature=related

I can't watch this as I'm at work but I'll take a look when I'm at home.

Either way, I'm actually much more interested in the near death experiences as I think they are much more powerful.

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01-13-2011 , 04:25 PM

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Either way, I'm actually much more interested in the near death experiences as I think they are much more powerful.

I love my family and friends. I hope I get to see them again after death. I really do. But unfortunately, scientists already have some good explanations for NDEs and it's very likely their explanations are most likely closer to the truth. You can google the research done on this phenomenon if you're curious.

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01-13-2011 , 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KB24

I'm expecting an Iphone App "have a NDE " before the decade is out.

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01-13-2011 , 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Goodie

Near death experiences and Mediums. I'm assuming this has been talked about on this forum but can all the people that have had near death experiences where they have been pronouced dead and come back be wrong? They all see something and describe something that was happening to them when they die.

Should be amenable to testing. I'll remain skeptical until there's evidence, given how many people believed uri geller.

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Also, is every single one of the Mediums a fraud? Of course, they certainly could be but I've had multiple friends go to multiple different mediums (what I would deem intelligent friends which I'm sure means nothing to you guys) and come back in disbelief at what they knew or what they could talk about concerning family members and friends that have passed. Are they all just REALLY good guessers?

I suspect they're good cold readers - it's not that hard once you develop the courage to trust that the client wants you to succeed.

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