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08-14-2011 , 01:03 AM
This probably isn't necessary, but I have a little more time now, and can address a few specific claims in more detail.

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Originally Posted by festeringZit
In another thread that has been locked, a Darwinist on here
said that Dawkins presented an air-tight case for evolution in his book
(that I am currently reading) called "Greatest Show on Earth."

I found this laughable, since Dawkins for the most part says he's not
going to cover the details, but he shows one illustration from another
book (p. 171).
I think your statement 'Dawkins for the most part says he's not going to cover the details' is disingenuous, because it implies that Dawkins' book as a whole does not provide a detailed case for evolution (in contrast to what the poster in another thread said).

Dawkins does say he's not going to cover the details, but he's referring specifically to whale evolution, which he says is better covered in books such as Jerry Coyne's Why Evolution is True. He is not talking about his book as a whole, which I found detailed and well-argued.

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Originally Posted by festeringZit
For example Pakicetus was drawn as an aquatic creature based on a few
skull ones and teeth (typical). It's discoverer Philip Gingerich
exclaimed: "In time and morphology, Pakicetus is perfectly intermediate,
a missing link between earlier land mammals and later, full-fledged
whales" Gingerish, P.D, J Gelol. Educ. 31:140-144, 1983

Since Gingerish, like Dawkins is a committed materialist, macro-evolution
is the only game in town, so they MUST INTERPRET FOSSILS WITH THEIR
BIASED FRAMEWORK. Therefore, it is not surprising that a few scraps of
bone are wishfully thought to be a "missing link."

However, of course, when the rest of the skeleton was found, it was
realized to be a fast-running land creature.
When Pakicetus skull bones were originally found, they were recognized as belonging to a whale ancestor because of features of the inner ear found only in Cetaceans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakicetus). The subsequent pictures of it as a crocodile-like creature are just that, pictures. They are artists' representations. I doubt serious scientific conclusions are drawn from them. I don't know much about paleontology, but the bones themselves seem to provide a surprising amount of information.

For instance, in 2009, 8 years after the more complete skeleton was discovered, it was argued that Pakicetus had semi-aquatic features. The orbital bones suggest the eyes were close together on top of the skull, like a crocodile. The limb bones are heavy to provide ballast, just as those of whales are.

But, even if Pakicetus were purely land-bound, this would not stop it being an ancestor of whales. The ancestors of whales were land-bound - isn't that what evolutionists are trying to say?

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Originally Posted by festeringZit
Basiloaurus did have small hind limbs (certainly too small for walking) and
some claim that they were vestigal. But they were probably used for
clasping during copulation, according to other evolutionists. For example
Philip Gingerich said "It seems to me that they could have been some kind
of reproductive clasper" The Press Enterprise, July 1 1990, p. A-15
I don't think you fully understand what 'vestigial' means. A vestigial structure is one which has completely or partially lost its original function. In a land mammal, hind legs would obviously have been used for walking. Since Basilosaurus' hind limbs were too small to be used for this function, they may have been used in a reduced capacity as reproductive claspers. Evolutionists do not claim that vestigial structures should have no function at all.
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08-14-2011 , 04:26 PM
ahahaha, and Festering idiot vanishes.
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08-14-2011 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
ahahaha, and Festering idiot vanishes.
Oh, believe me, I have a lot more to say, and I'm not going anywhere.
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08-14-2011 , 04:37 PM
we're waiting FI
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08-14-2011 , 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by festeringZit
Oh, believe me, I have a lot more to say, and I'm not going anywhere.
He's gonna read up a bit more on creation.com propaganda website and then come back..
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08-15-2011 , 05:37 AM
I believe the OP was directed at me. Was going to write an answer but Funology beat me to it. When I pointed out the fossil record regarding whales it was not as if that is the only evidence for evolution. However if you accept micro evolution but not macro evolution then those fossils are pretty hard to explain.
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08-16-2011 , 09:48 AM
BTW, LOL imo, ldo.
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08-16-2011 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by gskowal
Three pages down an I'm still waiting for the evidence of Richard Dawkins lies. And I have addressed your post on reply 5. Didn't hear anything back from you on that.
This is what every thread he's in looks like. He posts some cut and paste and makes some questionable claims. People ask questions/request proof... he ignores. People counter his evidence, he ignores and/or starts name calling.

Eventually thread gets locked.

He starts new thread and the same pattern emerges.

He's quickly become at the top of the list of worst contributors to the forum.
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08-16-2011 , 02:06 PM
Yeah, anyone that has the ability to knock Splenda off that perch is a hell of a talent.

By talent, of course, I mean A-hole
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08-16-2011 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by kurto
This is what every thread he's in looks like. He posts some cut and paste and makes some questionable claims. People ask questions/request proof... he ignores. People counter his evidence, he ignores and/or starts name calling.

Eventually thread gets locked.

He starts new thread and the same pattern emerges.

He's quickly become at the top of the list of worst contributors to the forum.
I have noticed that there has been a slight increase in those type of theists. Obnoxious hit and runners.
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08-16-2011 , 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by gskowal
I have noticed that there has been a slight increase in those type of theists. Obnoxious hit and runners.
You have to admit, RGT is shamelessly easy to troll.
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08-16-2011 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by kb coolman
You have to admit, RGT is shamelessly easy to troll.
It is, looks like mods have abandoned this place..
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08-16-2011 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by gskowal
It is, looks like mods have abandoned this place..
truth
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08-16-2011 , 06:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kurto
This is what every thread he's in looks like. He posts some cut and paste and makes some questionable claims. People ask questions/request proof... he ignores. People counter his evidence, he ignores and/or starts name calling.

Eventually thread gets locked.

He starts new thread and the same pattern emerges.

He's quickly become at the top of the list of worst contributors to the forum.
Actually the pattern is, I post some stuff, and Kurto comes in and
posts some slander and lies about me repeatedly.

Show where in this thread I posted a cut/paste, and made questionable
claims. When you're done looking you can come back and apologize and
admit you're a liar.
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08-16-2011 , 06:06 PM
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This message is hidden because festeringZit is on your ignore list.
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08-16-2011 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by festeringZit
Actually the pattern is, I post some stuff, and Kurto comes in and
posts some slander and lies about me repeatedly.

Show where in this thread I posted a cut/paste, and made questionable
claims. When you're done looking you can come back and apologize and
admit you're a liar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=164JK6tTzZY

Start at 5:55 and listen well IMO.
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08-16-2011 , 08:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by festeringZit
Actually the pattern is, I post some stuff, and Kurto comes in and
posts some slander and lies about me repeatedly.

Show where in this thread I posted a cut/paste, and made questionable
claims. When you're done looking you can come back and apologize and
admit you're a liar.
Hey FesteringIdiot

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Originally Posted by festeringZit
Oh, believe me, I have a lot more to say, and I'm not going anywhere.
We're waiting
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08-16-2011 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Hey FesteringIdiot



We're waiting
+1
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08-16-2011 , 10:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by festeringZit
Actually the pattern is, I post some stuff, and Kurto comes in and
posts some slander and lies about me repeatedly.

Show where in this thread I posted a cut/paste, and made questionable
claims. When you're done looking you can come back and apologize and
admit you're a liar.
But you're clearly not denying that you hit and run, right? Because I can post all the times you were asked to answer a question more than once and you completely avoided doing so. I guess it's hard to be so wrong so often in this forum -- too many hard, probing questions, right?
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08-19-2011 , 01:52 PM
Just to be clear festeringZit, you will not be debating me over the scientific evidence for macroevolution for $500?

I issued a counter-challenge, you can accept or reject.

I just want to be clear that you have no faith in yourself or your intellect or you ability to debate what you believe, but you DO have faith that god exists, Christianity is the right religion, and that there is no scientific evidence for macroevolution.

Just to be clear, k bro?
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08-20-2011 , 04:06 AM
OP, I am waiting to hear your counter-response to Funology's posts. Since he spent the time to carefully and respectfully address every one of your points in detail, I think you owe him the same, no?
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08-20-2011 , 12:26 PM
ITT a zit gets popped.
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08-20-2011 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by checkm8
Just to be clear festeringZit, you will not be debating me over the scientific evidence for macroevolution for $500?

I issued a counter-challenge, you can accept or reject.

I just want to be clear that you have no faith in yourself or your intellect or you ability to debate what you believe, but you DO have faith that god exists, Christianity is the right religion, and that there is no scientific evidence for macroevolution.

Just to be clear, k bro?
LOL Maybe you can give him better odds by hosting your debate in front of the Texas school book selection committee.
(I would still bet against him tho!)
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08-20-2011 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by festeringZit
Keep drinking the kool-aid.
I do believe that the Atheist Kool-aid is a lot less harmful than some religious brands...
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08-21-2011 , 12:47 AM
We make ours with splenda
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