Before I start this, it’s important to first note that life can be divided into two phases. The first phase is the survival phase. The second phase can be thought of as the phase of consciousness. I am focusing on this second phase. In other words, assume stability with regard to basic survival needs.

Assessing the Landscape:
Love can be broken down into three parts which are philia, agape, and eros.

Philia is associated with expansion. When we form relationships with others, that is philia.

Agape is associated with growth. It is actualizing potential. When we take an idea and turn it into creation, that is agape.

Eros is associated with life. It is the meaning, fulfillment, and connection that we desire more of in our lives. We use philia and agape to bring about more eros.

We can view human behavior through this lens. For instance, take construction. The engineer comes together with workers (philia) to execute a plan (agape) in order to create a meaningful structure (eros).

The Problem:
Besides love and life, there is also chaos and death. Chaos exists internally within the individual as well as externally in the world. Chaos dominates the world, meaning the human individual is normally in eros deficiency. Further, the eros that we do experience diminishes through exposure. When we fall in love, the “honeymoon phase” only lasts so long, that piece of cake loses its spark of eros if we eat it everyday, and day three of the holiday get-away has lost the magic of day one.

When we realize our eros deficiency and attempt to resolve it by engaging the world, then we face even more chaos and can often times exacerbate the problem. This often leads to the gradual adoption of a conservative strategy in which we have our select few regular acquaintances (low philia) and go-to behaviors that provide meaning (low agape). We may have low eros, but we try to minimize chaos and therefore minimize the eros deficiency. It is the strategy of minimizing losses in a losing game.

Status has a key role in this game. If we increase our status, then we can simultaneously increase our eros across multiple points, at least for a period of time. Still, chaos and resistance serves as an obstacle to accomplishing this task.

The source of death and chaos can be personified into “the enemy”. As previously described, the enemy exists within the world but is also who we meet if we attempt to look for a solution outside of the world. The enemy provides us with his “fire” that he wants used for destruction. Also within that fire is the masculine. Together the masculine and the fire combine to form “the Will”.

The enemy gives us a free sample of his fire when we attempt to elevate our status and first meet resistance. The Will allows us to progress a little further until we ultimately hit another ceiling. The enemy is trying to seduce and recruit us with this free sample. What does the enemy want? He wants us to turn our backs on eros, use his fire to take us to the top of the status hierarchy, and then from there use the fire to destroy life.

Game A:
The first level response to this situation is to disassociate from the enemy and make the best of the conservative, minimize-losses approach. This person, in order to protect their self image as a “good” person, rejects most, if not all, invitations from the enemy. Incrementalism rules the day. Any aspirations for status increase are incremental. We can call this situation + response pattern Game A.

Game B:
There is another approach that we can call Game B. A Game B player rejects the idea of playing a losing game. They reject Game A. There are two main characteristics of a Game B player. The first is that they reject conservatism and incrementalism in that they desire for the most amount of eros that they can imagine. The second characteristic is that they trust in their ability to use philia + agape to bring about more eros.

This person has a similar initial reaction to the enemy as the Game A player does, but they make a second move. They decide that they are going to use their philia + agape against the enemy to create eros. They don’t know how they are going to do it, but they trust that they will figure out how along the way. In order to do this, they are willing to sacrifice their image as a “good” person, and are willing to be misunderstood and alienated by others for this.

The Game B player uses philia + agape to gain the trust of the enemy, earn more of his fire, and then turn his own weapon against him in order to create more life. To prove himself worthy to the enemy, he “fasts” from the world and turns his back on eros. He uses the amount of fire that he has already been given to destroy the meaning and connection that is present in his life. In other words, he intentionally puts himself in extreme eros deficiency. After this, the enemy entrusts him with more power which the Game B player will then turn on himself in order to use it against the chaos, or enemy, within.

If the Game B player is able to continue this process until the last bit of chaos within has been turn into eros, then there is a transformation point. This transformation point is The Resurrection.

Is this not what Jesus does in the Resurrection story? He lowers himself into death and then transforms death into more life. If you can follow all of this, then you can perhaps understand why Jesus didn’t say, “I was resurrected” or “I resurrected myself.” He said, “I AM the Resurrection and the life.”

That was the last post from me. Happy Easter.

It was as horrible and boring as all your other posts. And of course this was not your last post, your craving for attention is much stronger.

Can you develop a bit more why you see Chaos as something opposed to the various parts of Love?


When you say

you are starting from a position in which this question has already been answered without actually giving the answer.

In this parable, both garment and wine represent beliefs or belief systems. The goal is to have our beliefs completely match with reality. The last line about drinking old wine is in reference to when someone is still convinced that their belief system is the master, or their belief system matches reality. If you already have the master, then you are not going to look for anything new.

When we begin to sense a disconnect in our lives and open up to new truths, our initial move will be to use reason to supplement our pre-existing beliefs. When Jesus is describing new and old garment, he is explaining that this doesn’t work. Jesus taught deconstruction. He taught transformation. Not just new wine but new wineskins. Rebirth. Resurrection. If your belief system about reality only includes beliefs and doesn’t include the deconstruction or transformation of the human individual, then you do not have the master.

That is why I have spent so much time in the past on this forum trying to communicate the limits of rationality and the intellect. Only relying on reason is attempting to sew pieces of new garment on the holes of old garment. If we throw the old garment away, then what we rely on to carry this task out (intuition, moral truth) will automatically provide us with new and improved garment.

I have been posting stories and attempting to describe reality, saying this is what the master looks like, but I am not doing this for people to absorb it all through reason. I am trying to convey the message of deconstruction and explicitly describing the process. The idea is to feel your way through it and track it onto your own intuitional experiences.

I have been through the deconstructions over and over again, and what I am indirectly saying is that everyone who claims that they have the master belief system that matches reality has eventually been exposed at the point that I am at now. There is only one person that is left standing and that is Jesus.

I meant this is my last thread..

In other words, give me some love, and I'll keep going.

Nice try Kaepernick.

I believe it is our duty to help each other out with this stuff. I try to balance that out with not pushing too hard too fast. I struggle finding the balance.

Really? You're like a guy who's never seen snow, and saying, "let me tell you about this snow stuff".

He's in a cult, is arguing for the constructs of the cult, is struggling to have the cult be reality, is blind to the trillions of realities that are outside the cult, and circles round and round therein with everything nicely answered by the cult spiel.

Focusing on being while becoming...

Resurrection is only a solution absent "ultimate"

Chaos is not the enemy. It is the thing.

Order does not defeat chaos. Order is how we access it.

This works. Keep going.

The betrayal that you are in confrontation with is true, meaning you are in the right spot, but you will be stuck until you start integrating. Openness, surrender, feeling, insecurity, vulnerability, humility, letting go, falling. All in one move after a personal failure.

What is failure? Is it not meeting your own expectations, or someone else's expectation of you?

You need to become split. Right now, you are one. When you are in a bad mood or in some type of discomfort, that place is more true than when allow yourself to ease back into a comfortable engagement with the world. Become two. Hold on to the discomfort and don’t let go. This will split you and put you in at least some amount of inner conflict, as long as you stay aware and hold on. Nothing else should matter for you until you can sustain this.

e pluribus unum

The name that can be named is not the eternal name.

The nameless is the beginning of heaven and earth.

The named is the mother of ten thousand things.

Ever desireless, one can see the mystery.

Ever desiring, one can see the manifestations.

These two spring from the same source but differ in name; this appears as darkness.

Darkness within darkness.

The gate to all mystery.

The invisible experiences unique belonging.

Culture is in the midst of nonlocal excellence.

Everything fascinates immortal photons.

True faith is at the heart of the barrier of self-knowledge.

The physical world is an ingredient of a jumble of mysteries.

The web of life exists as ephemeral space time events.

A single particle is the ground of humble balance.

Sounds like a bunch of bullshyt pronouncements and proclamations with no backing, no grounding, no rationale ... just hocus pocus.

Good description of every single one of your posts.

Fella, have you seen the Christopher Nolan Batman trilogy movies (Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, and The Dark Night Rises)?

Merely 100% predictable ... for here we see the religious mindset on clear display .... just make up the ad hominem and lie like hell for your religion. As I said all along, it isn't the religion as much as the epistemology that is a disgrace. It has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt what religion is, and every instance like this reproves it. In this belief system, we believe in magic and WE DRINK BLOOD because it says so in a thousands year old book. We are vampires for Jesus, we are legion, and our insult to rationality, or even to the modern mind, is appalling.

Your defense mechanisms are out of control it seems. It would probably do you some good to put all of this spirituality stuff to the side and re-connect to the world until you stabilize.

To add, none of this can happen until we start to look beyond the contempt for who we blame for the feeling of betrayal. The resistance will continue to have us believe that the feeling of betrayal is specific and external rather than general and underlying. Once we accept that the problem is bigger than who we blame, then we are able to redirect internally.