Remember, if Gunth hasn't heard of them, they don't exist.

Take all your Fred flinstone hoe-moe-cavemen stuff and have a superiorly developped crew of spacemen show up.

It's quite evident that somebody was messing around on Mars at some point.

If our sun has a companion star as most in our galaxy do, and as the ancients all say we do, it's quite possible that someone lives on/in a planet that orbits that sun.

AWESOME IDEA Discussing WHY people did stuff in the name of religion and what all the books actually say.

SHOCKING...you DON'T want to respond to any of the points I made, you just want to make a sarcastic two-word comment to one sentence I wrote. Oh, but you gave SUCH a good reason...I'm mean, which apparently prohibits you from responding to my points but doesn't prohibit you from once again ignoring my points, cherry-picking one sentence, and giving a facetious, meaningless response to it.

Listen, "buddy," I'm not the one who wants to force-feed my own fantastical religious assertions down the throats of schoolchildren. And when starry-eyed religious zealots like yourself propose that we start doing so, people like me are going to respond. You think I'm going to hell...I think you're borderline insane. That's just the way it goes, I suppose.

But what's fascinating is that you're not willing to have a substantive conversation on the merits, where you actually, y'know, defend your point of view with anything at all or respond to others' critiques of your proposals. You hide behind all sorts of legalistic, self-aggrandizing assertions and then back out of a debate because you can't stand the fact that others won't let you get away with it without calling you out.

Have fun dreaming about SkyCake.

Ho.mo (forgive my circumventing the profanity filter) is the Genus classification.
Homonid is the Family. Ergaster, Erectus, Sapien, etc... are species


Wikipedia is an excellent resource in learning these things. Ignore Gunth and Alienspaceman concerning the accuracy. Gunth didn't even know that anybody could edit wikipedia a few months ago. It's accuracy is on par and at times surpassing the Encyclopedia Britannica.

Just because its fun showing how ignorant and wrong Gunth is, I did literally 2 minutes of research.

I found a High School Western Civilization Textbook (1 million copies sold) which is Western Civilization by Spielvogel. Here's the description from Amazon:

Then, I found a course schedule for this textbook. HERE

Excerpts:
From Week 2:

Week 6-
From the Table of Contents of the Book-
I just looked for a review of popular history books and actually found a critique that they're TOO religious.

Example:
More findings HERE

Too make a long posting short... Gunth is wrong again.

I can address every one of your points but i am not going to since you come into this thread making a comment that someone who sees breaking a commandment displeasing to God should be forced to see a psychiatrist.

But HE DOESN'T REMEMBER LEARNING THIS STUFF IN SCHOOL! How many times does that point have to be repeated? If GUNTH doesn't remember learning this stuff, then it DID NOT and DOES NOT happen in schools...just like if GUNTH asserts that something is god's word (or even interprets something in the bible a certain way), OF COURSE it should be taught as fact in public schools.

Geez...you and your fancy-schmancy research is useless when we have Gunth to tell us how it is.

This stuff was not taught in my school. And 1 million copies basically confirms that this is not taught in a lot of schools.
I remember everything i was taught in school, and this book nor it's contents was never even mentioned.

For those following along:

"Not taught at Gunth's school" => "Not taught at a lot of schools"

"I could dunk the ball but I'm not going to." -- Random 12-year old trying to impress his friends or a girl

If you could give satisfactory answers to my or others' points, you would have by now instead of shadowboxing around, making unfounded claims, and giving reasons for NOT defending your position.

Also, learn how to read.

At what point did I imply that you should be forced to see a psychiatrist?

Obviously if there is only 1 million copies sold, it is not taught in a lot of schools. I would be interested in hearing from you guys what schools actually taught those things.

I am the one that stated a few months ago that anyone can go edit wikipedia, and that fact is what makes it unreliable. Get real Melchy.

Lets be real. Christians who want Christianity taught in school don't care if its history or other religions history's are taught. They want their Gods divine Word taught and followed at the exclusion of all other Gods.

76.6 million schoolchildren K-12...this book is for one grade worth of kids. There are 13 grades. That means even if there were as many students in whatever grade this book was written for (there aren't, as kids drop out over the years and the book kurto found was clearly for HS students), we'd be talking about a population of 5.89 million. With over 1 million sold, we're talking about nearly 20 percent of the students in whatever grade this was written for getting THIS PARTICULAR BOOK. That is massive when you consider how varied the curriculum can be between states and school districts. Over a million copies of a textbook being sold is evidence that it is an EXTREMELY common textbook.

Is this getting through at ALL to you yet?

Well, maybe you went to a crappy school, or maybe your memory is not as good as you think it is. Either one might explain your current troubles in grasping the reality where the rest of us live.

U.S. does not = the world.

I guarantee you don't remember everything you were taught in school considering how much information you seem ignorant of that I would expect most high school graduates to know.

Most importantly, and I know this will be hard for you to understand, but just because it wasn't taught to you doesn't mean it isn't taught to nearly everyone else. If you studied Western Civilization without anyone mentioning Christianity, then you doubt had horrible teachers and it explains a lot about you. That being said, I challenge you to find present evidence of a high school western civilization history book that doesn't mention Christianity. Better yet, what are the names and authors of the history books you used? Obviously it will be easy to answer since you claim to remember everything from high school. Once you identify the books, I bet we can find info about it online and see if you're right.

No, it doesn't. Only a select number of students use a textbook at one time. I rarely had new books as a student. Books are used for multiple students.

All of which is moot, since I posted a link to another article that listed multiple US high school history books that directly taught religion.

Wow. Are you surprised that your school didn't mention all the textbooks they weren't using and outline their contents? Would you be surprised to know that there are books out there that you don't know about? More importantly, the mere fact that you don't know about them doesn't mean that they don't exist or aren't be read by others. Hard to believe yet its true.

Again- since you remember everything from high school, it'll be no problem to list a few of your western civilization history books. Then we can all see if they mentioned Jesus or not.

christians cant even agree on what it says, so good luck with that.

Kurto you keep insulting but provide nothing to back up your insult except for your obvious hate.

Sorry i am not really getting into points today, pretty busy.

???

I printed excerpts of textbooks showing you are wrong.

I printed an article examining US high school textbooks that had excerpts from these textbooks that taught about Christianity and mentioned Jesus.

I posted excerpts from a teaching syllabus that outlined the use of these textbooks that specifically mentions the rise of Christianity and several books of the Bible.

I demonstrated your logical flaws (the "Gunth doesn't know it so it doesn't exist" flaw)

Finally- I have given YOU the chance to prove yourself correct by asking you to list the textbooks you used in highschool (which would only take you one minute to write down since you stated that you remember everything from high school) and we would examine it to prove your point or not.

I guess if you ignore all the stuff I researched and posted, then it would be true what you said above. But in light of all that stuff, it just looks like you're being dishonest.... again. What would Jesus think?

Kurto stop saying i am dishonest because i am not dishonest. Really man go get some friends or something.

I have not responded to a lot of points because doing so will take some time which i do not have atm. But i assure you your one sided argument will get answered.

What else do you call it when you intentionally speak untruths like you do? As I bolded, you said that I, "provide nothing" to back up my points. Despite the fact that I clearly provided multiple sources of information to show you were wrong.

You either blacked out whenever I referenced a source or you are dishonest.

I'm alright with my friends, thanks. What does this have to do with anything?

I see. For the sake of brevity you were dishonest. I'm not sure what you mean by one-sided. Everyone in the forum except you states that they were taught about Christianity's role in history. I posted an article that referenced several US high school history books that mention Christ. By one-sided I take it you mean "quite obviously correct"

By the way, it will only take you a minute to type the names of those history books. Very good chance we can find reference of them online. I'm going to predict you cannot produce this but I'd be delighted to be wrong about this.

rofl its because im 22 and only went to high school 8-4 years ago... during which time yes history books discuss jesus. so yeah, you are wrong.

hahahahahaha you didnt pay much attention then, because its pretty hard to discuss greek/roman gods in a classroom setting without pointing out the inaccuracies.
cool? like i said maybe things were different when you were in HS 20 years ago but these days, you are wrong.
yeah, i already did. try again little guy.

Good to see that you know everything.

Why are Muslims allowed to where religous garb and pray and do all thats associated with their false religion in schools?

Because the devil is the one in control and influencing all the people who make the decisions.

Until the Christians take a stand against the stupid crap like they should!

Nah im wrong all the time and know next to nothing in the grand scheme of things so i could be wrong about that, but i dont think so.

Bringing God back into the public school systems has been a long time goal. Angle shots like history and creationism are just means to an end, imo.