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05-25-2010 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
Okay, I'm convinced that you're not interested in religion from a historical standpoint, or what impact it has had on civilization. You want stuff like:

- And Then Jesus was led by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted there by the devil

- Now can anyone tell me the one unforgivable sin is and why we must accept Christ as our Savior?

It's not happening. Go to church or put your kid in Sunday school. You're not filling kids heads with that garbage on public tax dollars.

/end thread already
The way it is presented is in total view of an atheist. They single out some bad things that have happened in history and make it seem like Christianity just caused some wars. Doesn't the majority of people in this country believe in God? Like i said earlier, there are way more tax dollars going to things that most of the country doesn't even believe they should go to, but those things get funded anyways. You can't please them all. But religion should be taught like it is some kind of possibility instead of just skimming through some of the bad history of it.

**Angry mod closed the thread Lestat so if you are ever in Chicago, let me know. The poster we met with yesterday did post in the thread, but still needs to post some things imo. Trying to get the thread opened back up by a mod that can actually read and isn't as angry.**

Last edited by Gunth0807; 05-25-2010 at 12:34 PM.
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05-25-2010 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
But yes, there is. Not on my tax dollar. I don't share your beliefs. Outside of learning from a historical standpoint, I think belief in religion is silly. Would you be okay if we added astrology to the curriculum?




Again, it costs nothing to go to church. And if religious teachings are that important who better to teach them than the church of your faith?



This is ROFL! So you're saying an atheist teacher is better qualified to teach your kid your religious beliefs? You can't possibly be thinking before you type. Or do you think we should institute a law barring atheists as teachers? On second thought, I probably don't want to know your answer to that.



OMG! Well I'll be sure to thank god that you are in no position to make these decisions! You can waste your kid's time teaching him about mythical fantasy. I'd rather my kid learn about math, science, and things that are useful in every day life.



I'm sure you're a nice person Splendour, but I dare say you are deep down a hypocrite and bigot! You think everyone should share YOUR beliefs. Learn what YOU want them to learn. Sorry. This country doesn't work that way I'm very glad to say. Our constitution is set up precisely so that people like you can't impose their will and beliefs on all.
No I'm level headed. Its highly proactive to expect my tax dollars will help instill character instead of being spent serving cultural relativism.

I know a kid that just won 7 scholastic awards after being home schooled. In a year or two he'll be valedictorian and on his way to MIT.
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05-25-2010 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
No I'm level headed. Its highly proactive to expect my tax dollars will help instill character instead of being spent serving cultural relativism.

I know a kid that just won 7 scholastic awards after being home schooled. In a year or two he'll be valedictorian and on his way to MIT.
Cultural relativism is the principle that an individual human's beliefs and activities should be understood in terms of his or her own culture.

How is this bad exactly?
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05-25-2010 , 04:56 PM
In Junior High I had a substitute teacher tell me I am going to hell. Why? I was wearing necklace with the Episcopal shield on it, and Episcopalians are the wrong type of Christian.

I was required to listen to the BS artist known as Franklin Graham talk. No choice in the matter. People who were ok with him ranting about Jesus, were very upset when a Jewish Rabbi came to discuss Judaism (he was not trying to convert). I am certain there would have been louder protests if it was a Muslim Imam.

Now, should we go into a predominantly jewish community and teach christianity there? Do we go into a catholic neighborhood and teach the protestant point of view instead?

Christians seem to be divided on one very important thing. Is Jesus God? Christians in RGT disagree on whether or not he is God. What do we teach?
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05-25-2010 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MelchyBeau
Cultural relativism is the principle that an individual human's beliefs and activities should be understood in terms of his or her own culture.

How is this bad exactly?
Christian aims are to transcend cultural norms with better values.

I wish people would stop extrapolating things I haven't even said.

I'm not arguing against anyone else's rights. I am saying people have a reasonable expectation that their tax dollars will be spent on things that they value.

You don't have to value what I value for it to be valuable to me.
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05-25-2010 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
No I'm level headed. Its highly proactive to expect my tax dollars will help instill character instead of being spent serving cultural relativism.
What do you mean when you say cultural relativism?
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05-25-2010 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
Christian aims are to transcend cultural norms with better values.

I wish people would stop extrapolating things I haven't even said.

I'm not arguing against anyone else's rights. I am saying people have a reasonable expectation that their tax dollars will be spent on things that they value.

You don't have to value what I value for it to be valuable to me.
even though i wouldnt support it outright, id be MUCH happier with this notion if things like... CHURCHES... were taxed etc. correct me if im wrong splendour but what you are arguing goes against the tenets of separation of church and state. thats cool and all, i respect ppl who think they should be 1 and the same (while disagreeing) but you better be ready to have it go both ways if thats what you really believe.
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05-25-2010 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
I know a kid that just won 7 scholastic awards after being home schooled. In a year or two he'll be valedictorian and on his way to MIT.
What does that prove? These kids were all home-schooled as well:

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05-25-2010 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
No I'm level headed. Its highly proactive to expect my tax dollars will help instill character instead of being spent serving cultural relativism.
Character is a relative term. At the very least it's subjective. I view people who take religion seriously as needy, shallow, intellectually dishonest, and gullible of character. So do I have the same rights do? Or am I forced to make my children follow what YOU deem to be good character.
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05-25-2010 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
The way it is presented is in total view of an atheist.
There's a reason for that. Education deals in facts. Religion deals in claims.

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Doesn't the majority of people in this country believe in God?
Yes, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that even most who believe in god are moderates and understand the need for separation of church and state. It's only the far right conservatives like yourself and Splendour, who often confuse freedom of religion, with freedom for religion. Whether you're a minority or not, you have the right not to be subjected or forced to conform to others' beliefs.


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But religion should be taught like it is some kind of possibility instead of just skimming through some of the bad history of it.
Says you. But myself and many others feel that religion has almost a ZERO percent possibility of being true. Don't waste mine or my kid's time with it. Religious history? Sure. It's part of how we arrived at where we are and should be taught. But beliefs in invisible sky gods are very far down on my list of what's important to teach. If you want to reaffirm your religious beliefs there are plenty of churches around to help with that. But leave public schools and my tax dollars out of it!



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**Angry mod closed the thread Lestat so if you are ever in Chicago, let me know. The poster we met with yesterday did post in the thread, but still needs to post some things imo. Trying to get the thread opened back up by a mod that can actually read and isn't as angry.**
Yeah, I get the feeling that forum is ran mostly by young punks just out of school who think they know much more than they actually do, and have little to no real world experience. I guess we're lucky to have the mods we do in RGT!
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05-26-2010 , 12:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
I'm not arguing against anyone else's rights. I am saying people have a reasonable expectation that their tax dollars will be spent on things that they value.
I don't think you know what the word "reasonable" means...
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