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05-24-2010 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SammyKid11
So...winner by forfeit...ME!!!!!!!!!!

This is a nice, convenient excuse for you to not get your ass whipped on Biblical contradictions.

You're so full of it.
I am not forfeiting, i say show me a contradiction, and you say lets gamble.
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05-24-2010 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SixT4
I think Splendour, Pletho and Gunth are all the same person.

Why do they all spend so much time discussing religion on an atheist dominated forum? Especially when they're such ridiculously hardcore Christians. I know the reason I'm here is because I'm a lazy SOB and Firefox makes it all too easy to get here. All I have to do is stick "re" in the address bar and it'll pop up with RGT.
I disagree. For them to be the same person, the person would have to be very good at changing the nature of their postings. While they're all similar in their religiousity, they each have some unique identifying characteristics.

Splenda has been here under several different ID names since she arrived. Each time people figured out it was here based on the style of her posts. She always sounds like herself. She references a dozen things in any one day, often times within one post. Her references rarely follow one to the next. "That's an interesting point about the formation of stars. It reminds me of a Christian interpretation of The Wizard of Oz. Here's a random link about Lions breeding in the wild...." She's more likely to include aliens and influences of new age spirituality in her posts.

Pletho is no doubt the most articulate of the three. And the most arrogant since he is the only one that always claims to have a monopoly on the truth. I don't believe Pletho pretends to be knowledgeable of much beyond his take on scripture. I believe he tends to limit his discussions accordingly.

Gunth shares some qualities of both (arrogance and inability to understand most everything he reads) but couples that with more combative nature, he calls everyone 'haters' and such, and more of a general incompetence.

I suspect in reality, if you had a conversation with any one of them without seeing their name, you could identify the correct person in a short period of time.

I just don't think most people could maintain 3 different 'voices' online without screwing up for any long period of time.
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05-24-2010 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SixT4
I think Splendour, Pletho and Gunth are all the same person.

Why do they all spend so much time discussing religion on an atheist dominated forum? Especially when they're such ridiculously hardcore Christians. I know the reason I'm here is because I'm a lazy SOB and Firefox makes it all too easy to get here. All I have to do is stick "re" in the address bar and it'll pop up with RGT.
Pletho and Gunth are clearly the same person. Splendour is her own brand of crazy.
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05-24-2010 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by kurto
I disagree. For them to be the same person, the person [...]
That's pretty awesome insight!

You probably spend too much time on these boards though :P.
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05-24-2010 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by SixT4
That's pretty awesome insight!

You probably spend too much time on these boards though :P.
No doubt. I often mean to 'check in' and then get distracted for far too long addressing nonsense.
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05-24-2010 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
I am not forfeiting, i say show me a contradiction, and you say lets gamble.
And that's not what the offer was. The offer was we'll do it, but only if there's something on the line. Trying to change your mind is something I think is almost certainly impossible, as you seem impervious to reason and evidence...so if there's something on the line, I'll do it...if not, why would I bother? If you want to live in willful ignorance, that's up to you.

Just remember...you're the one who is making absolute statements of certainty (ie - there's not one actual contradiction in the Bible), and at the same time as being the one making absolute statements, you're also the one not willing to put money behind your statements.

Weak sauce, Gunth. Thus far in this thread you've been extremely reticent to back up your statements with anything, so it really comes as no surprise to me that you're unwilling to back up your statements with your money.
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05-24-2010 , 06:10 PM
There are no contradictions in God's Word.
Prove me wrong. I have debunked many supposed contradictions in RGT.
Even though i am 100% certain i would win this prop bet, i don't even have 500 dollars to put on this, and wouldn't if i did.. If anyone wants to put up the money fine. Easy money imo. Of course, fair judges would be needed since RGT is so ridiculously biased to the point that if there was no doubt i had proved every contradiction wrong, i would still lose the vote.

Last edited by Gunth0807; 05-24-2010 at 06:16 PM.
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05-24-2010 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
I was not taught the remember the names of my history books.

SixT, half the stuff i say is twisted around by you haters.
Well, it seems you don't remember biology well. Since evolutionary theory states that humans evolved from Apes and not Monkeys.
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05-24-2010 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
There are no contradictions in God's Word.
Prove me wrong. I have debunked many supposed contradictions in RGT.
Even though i am 100% certain i would win this prop bet, i don't even have 500 dollars to put on this, and wouldn't if i did.. If anyone wants to put up the money fine. Easy money imo. Of course, fair judges would be needed since RGT is so ridiculously biased to the point that if there was no doubt i had proved every contradiction wrong, i would still lose the vote.
Well, I'm open to the idea of selecting a panel of judges. And I'm open to the idea of somebody else putting up your end of the money. We'll see if anyone wants to back you.
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05-24-2010 , 06:22 PM
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Since theology is a hard subject to master why would you insist on injecting confusion into the process and interrupt the parental right to educate one's children?
How does not teaching christianity in schools interrupt the parental right to educate one's children?
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05-24-2010 , 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by MelchyBeau
How does not teaching christianity in schools interrupt the parental right to educate one's children?
Public schools are funded by tax payers dollars then people get clobbered by the separation of church and state rule.

In the private sector you get what you pay for. Not so in the public sector and a lot of people paying have no option to go elsewhere.
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05-25-2010 , 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
Public schools are funded by tax payers dollars then people get clobbered by the separation of church and state rule.

In the private sector you get what you pay for. Not so in the public sector and a lot of people paying have no option to go elsewhere.
yeah, those damn churches and their exorbitant tuition fees!!!
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05-25-2010 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by zugzwang83
yeah, those damn churches and their exorbitant tuition fees!!!
LOL...America's a democracy and supposed to be ruled by the majority instead its tax dollars are being bilked away from the people by Court decisions. The public system could build a modified program for the pro-religious and the non-religious. Religious class could be an option like Driver's Ed or Cooking or Art classes. Why not? We are already paying for it.
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05-25-2010 , 12:20 AM
As soon as people start questioning whether cars really do exist I think you MIGHT have an argument.
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05-25-2010 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by kurto
Just wanted to touch on this. Because this is typical of what you do and It would be nice if you stopped this BS.

Here's all the people who said that they heard mention of Jesus/Christianity in school in this thread:
Turn Prophet
Melchybeau
Thirddan
Zugzwang
xxMagicianxx
SammyKid...
Kurto
Financier
SixT4

Number of them who confirmed they are outside the US?
SixT4

But as far as YOU know, everyone else is outside the US?!?!? It shows how little you know and how intellectually dishonest you are.
I went to Highschool in Louisiana
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05-25-2010 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by MelchyBeau
I went to Highschool in Louisiana
What kind of things did they discuss?
Were you given homework/tests over the topics?
What years did you study these things? How much time did they spend teaching?
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05-25-2010 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
LOL...America's a democracy and supposed to be ruled by the majority instead its tax dollars are being bilked away from the people by Court decisions. The public system could build a modified program for the pro-religious and the non-religious. Religious class could be an option like Driver's Ed or Cooking or Art classes. Why not? We are already paying for it.
Splenda's happy to point out America is supposed to be a Democracy but is happy to forget its also supposed to be a place where all people are supposed to have a barrier between govt and religion and a place where people are free to practice their own religion and not have a state push a religion of its chosing.

You're free to brainwash your kids all you want in church 7 days a week if you choose. You simply can't make the public schools brainwash everyone's children.
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05-25-2010 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
What kind of things did they discuss?
Were you given homework/tests over the topics?
What years did you study these things? How much time did they spend teaching?
more important, since Gunth misses the point of your post, LA is in the United States. I'm not sure if he was tested on that so its likely he doesn't remember that
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05-25-2010 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
What kind of things did they discuss?
Were you given homework/tests over the topics?
What years did you study these things? How much time did they spend teaching?
Lots of things, but its been a while, so I don't remember everything. I did do some looking up for you.

http://www.louisianaschools.net/lde/saa/2108.html

from the world history zip file.

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Can students identify demographic, economic, and social trends in major world regions?
Can students describe key features of the Renaissance, Reformation, Scientific Revolution, and the Age of Enlightenment?
Can students determine when primary and/or secondary sources would be most useful in analyzing historical events?
Can students define the term Renaissance and explain why the term was used to describe this historical period?
Can students explain the causes and effects of the Renaissance and its impact upon history then and now?
Can students explain the role the Renaissance spirit played in sparking the Scientific Revolution and the Age of Exploration?
Can students identify the major artistic, literary, and intellectual figures of the Renaissance and explain the significance of their achievements?
Can students describe the origin, causes, and effects of the Reformation?
Can students compare and analyze the beliefs and ideas of the leading Protestant reformers?
Can students summarize the reforms and the intent of the Roman Catholic Church’s Counter-Reformation?

Can students identify the key scientists of the Scientific Revolution and analyze the impact of their discoveries on the world then and now?
Can students identify the key figures of the Age of Enlightenment?
Can students identify the significance of the key ideas expressed during the Age of Enlightenment?
World history is typically taken around 11th Grade.

6th grade also covers world history

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1. Can students identify the major new religions during this period and how they relate to the different empires?
2. Can students explain the different ways that religions spread, including through trade, empire, Diasporas, colonization, and proselytizing?
3. Can students explain the differences in beliefs, leaders, and locations of the different major religions and how they spread?
4. Can students explain the effect of major religions on European, Asian, and African civilizations?
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05-25-2010 , 01:05 AM
National World History Standards. This comes from the Department of Education. These were developed due to a mandate by congress in 1992 and have been in use since 1996.

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Standard 3B
The student understands the emergence of Christianity in the context of the Roman Empire.
Grade Level
Therefore, the student is able to
5-12
Describe the lives of Jesus and Paul and explain the fundamental teachings of Christianity. [Appreciate historical perspectives]
5-12
Analyze how Christianity spread widely in the Roman Empire. [Analyze multiple causation]
9-12
Trace the extent and consequences of Christian expansion in Asia, Africa, and Europe to the 4th century. [Reconstruct patterns of historical succession and duration]
http://nchs.ucla.edu/standards/worldera3.html
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05-25-2010 , 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
LOL...America's a democracy and supposed to be ruled by the majority instead its tax dollars are being bilked away from the people by Court decisions. The public system could build a modified program for the pro-religious and the non-religious. Religious class could be an option like Driver's Ed or Cooking or Art classes. Why not? We are already paying for it.
LOL are you really this delusional?? we are already paying for churches. which, last time i checked, are completely free to attend and anyone can go learn about whatever the fk they want to. so try again.

edit kurtos post 267 covered this quite nicely!
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05-25-2010 , 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by zugzwang83
LOL we are already paying for churches. which, last time i checked, are completely free and anyone can go learn about whatever the fk they want to. so try again.
Why shouldn't people have an option?

Its tax payer money. An option would be ideal. Only the people that want to attend would attend the class.

A theist has as much right to their share of tax payer monies as any other payer.
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05-25-2010 , 01:13 AM
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Why shouldn't people have an option?

Its tax payer money. An option would be ideal. Only the people that want to attend would attend the class.

A theist has as much right to their share of tax payer monies as any other payer.
You are complaining about people being bilked out of tax dollars? You do realize that adding such a class would require more money and most schools, especially in california are broke. So broke, they are laying of teachers.
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05-25-2010 , 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
Why shouldn't people have an option?

Its tax payer money. An option would be ideal. Only the people that want to attend would attend the class.

A theist has as much right to their share of tax payer monies as any other payer.
are you being serious? they do have an option. they can attend church, free of charge, at any time.

and no, a theist doesnt, when you have the task of maintaining the image of "separation of church and state". sorry but you lose.
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05-25-2010 , 01:23 AM
I would actually argue that a school's curriculum should not be decided by the majority. Just as you wouldn't want your car/appendicitis fixed in a manner decided by majority vote, or your food cooked, or your paintings painted, some things are better left to actual experts. Experts in education should decide upon curricula (really? is curriculums just not accepted by firefox or is it not yet a real word? and how is firefox not in firefox's dictionary?!), imo. Let these experts be voted in by majority if you want, or even appointed by someone who was voted in by a majority. But I'd be scared to let the majority have say over an expert in any field.
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