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05-24-2010 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SammyKid11
If you had proven yourself to be intellectually honest, I'd go through this with you for free. Because you haven't, the exercise of debating you is not worth it to me unless I have the opportunity to get paid for my time. You wouldn't be gambling over god's word...you'd be wagering on your knowledge and ability when it comes to this kind of debate.

Let me know if you decide to man up and we can find a suitable party to hold the money for us.
I have been honest with my posts. Kurto is just out to prove me as a liar for some reason so that is all he says about me.
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05-24-2010 , 02:54 PM
http://www.au.org/what-we-do/lawsuit...over-area.html

There are lawsuits like these also all across the country.

You guys are acting like this isn't even an issue, but court cases are saying otherwise.

Even Dan Dennet agrees with what i am saying.
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05-24-2010 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
http://www.au.org/what-we-do/lawsuit...over-area.html

There are lawsuits like these also all across the country.

You guys are acting like this isn't even an issue, but court cases are saying otherwise.

Even Dan Dennet agrees with what i am saying.
LOL, wow, triple edit. I see your post, it's just the first line. I refresh the page after reading the link, a second line appears. I click 'Quote' and Lo! a third line appears.

Anyway, what is it you think the link you've provided demonstrates?

And what specifically are you saying that Dan Dennett agrees with? Do you mean you really are saying you think comparative religious studies should be incorporated into the curriculum? Meaning that children would be taught about Shintoism, Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, etc? AFAIK that's Dennett's stance on the matter... you too (me three!)?

Edit: yes, I probably mean 'double edit'. Whatever...

Last edited by All-In Flynn; 05-24-2010 at 03:05 PM. Reason: me no count good
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05-24-2010 , 03:05 PM
I can't add to posts now? Nobody said anything when sixt4 added to his post.
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05-24-2010 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
Meaning that children would be taught about Shintoism, Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, etc? AFAIK that's Dennett's stance on the matter... you too (me three!)?
The only ones who would really be against that would be the fundamentals religionist who don't want their children corrupted by false teaching.
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05-24-2010 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
I can't add to posts now? Nobody said anything when sixt4 added to his post.
I just find it amusing. Any response to the substance of the post?
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05-24-2010 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
I can't add to posts now? Nobody said anything when sixt4 added to his post.
yeah i dont like that rule.
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05-24-2010 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
I have been honest with my posts. Kurto is just out to prove me as a liar for some reason so that is all he says about me.
I'm not basing this on Kurto, I'm basing this on what I've read of yours where you demonstrate almost a total lack of ability to engage in a critical conversation where reasoning, evidence, or logic plays a central role.

Ready to put your money where your mouth is yet regarding finding Biblical contradictions?
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05-24-2010 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SammyKid11
I'm not basing this on Kurto, I'm basing this on what I've read of yours where you demonstrate almost a total lack of ability to engage in a critical conversation where reasoning, evidence, or logic plays a central role.

Ready to put your money where your mouth is yet regarding finding Biblical contradictions?
More like i have just not had time to put in the necessary research, i have already stated this already.

For get about trying to find a contradiction then because like i said i am not putting money on God's Word. If you can't respect that i can care less what you think.
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05-24-2010 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
http://www.au.org/what-we-do/lawsuit...over-area.html

There are lawsuits like these also all across the country.

You guys are acting like this isn't even an issue, but court cases are saying otherwise.

Even Dan Dennet agrees with what i am saying.
NO--Daniel Dennett does NOT agree with what you are saying at all. You are arguing that schools ought to teach courses on Christianity from an explicitly religious context, as though Christianity were true so that students get an idea of what it is like for believers. If you want this, go to a Christian school like I did, because you will get plenty of this. Dennett is arguing for a course that teaches the basic doctrines, beliefs, and practices of all the major religions without the assumption that any of them are "true". Those are not the same propositions at all.

Just to illustrate the difference:

In Catholic school, when analyzing a passage from the Gospels, we were asked to write about "what that passage says about God's love for us." When I got to college, the same passage was approached from the perspective of, "what does this passage say about the culture and time in which it was written, and what is the author trying to impart?"

Do you see how different questions these are? Do you see how much more useful the latter is for a student's intellectual growth?
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05-24-2010 , 03:20 PM
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, as though Christianity were true
I said as though it is a possibility, can you guys stop twisting my words around already? It is getting old.
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05-24-2010 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
The thread was about opening your ears to God.
Through the lyrics to a Korn song.
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05-24-2010 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SixT4
Through the lyrics to a Korn song.


learn to properly use this pic.
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05-24-2010 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
I can't add to posts now? Nobody said anything when sixt4 added to his post.
I edit each of my posts at least 5 times. Deal with it.
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05-24-2010 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MelchyBeau
Since you don't know much, this doesn't surprise me at all. He is mentioned. Would you be ok with having to learn the Quran?

If i have to sit and listen to some mindless dolt say that we evolved on this planet from monkeys then talking about Jesus seems fair.

The quran, sure. It's pretty much the old testament with the ok for different murders penned in.
Can't say I agree with you on teaching the Koran. This is where the culture of tolerance goes a bit overboard.

Its also where you wind up arguing out of context.

The U.S. is still under majority rule. There's no where it says that minorities have an equal say just that their rights are to be protected. They have no right to infringe on the majority's rights.

Even the Buddhist Nhich That Hanh says you can't divorce religion from culture and there's no reason that the majority should abdicate its beliefs to include irrelevant foreign ones that are only going to confuse their children. You have to master your own before you learn anyone else's.
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05-24-2010 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
I have been honest with my posts. Kurto is just out to prove me as a liar for some reason so that is all he says about me.
I simply post your own words with other posts of yours to demonstrate how, in your own words, how full of it you are.

Just so we're clear... if 9 posters say one thing, and one says they're from the UK... you assume everyone is from the UK?
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05-24-2010 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
The U.S. is still under majority rule. There's no where it says that minorities have an equal say just that their rights are to be protected. They have no right to infringe on the majority's rights.
How many slaves does your family still own?
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05-24-2010 , 03:48 PM
Splendour, Pletho and Gunth in one thread. The comedic holy trinity is here!
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05-24-2010 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by kurto
I simply post your own words with other posts of yours to demonstrate how, in your own words, how full of it you are.

Just so we're clear... if 9 posters say one thing, and one says they're from the UK... you assume everyone is from the UK?
Some of those posters if not most of them have made it clear that they are not from the U.S. in other threads.
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05-24-2010 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Our House
How many slaves does your family still own?
Its still majority rule in the U.S.

Minorities possess freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom of political expression.

Since theology is a hard subject to master why would you insist on injecting confusion into the process and interrupt the parental right to educate one's children?

Its obviously confusing for a lot of atheists since they frequently misinterpret the OT and deliberately controvert the ancient Hebrews explanation on the nature of God to supplant it with their own negativistic version instead of researching it.
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05-24-2010 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
Some of those posters if not most of them have made it clear that they are not from the U.S. in other threads.
I listed the one that was not from the US.

Please share which of the others are not. Since we've seen how flawless your memory is this should be easy for you.
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05-24-2010 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by kurto
I listed the one that was not from the US.

Please share which of the others are not. Since we've seen how flawless your memory is this should be easy for you.
Kurto i am not playing this game with you anymore, you can go figure it out yourself since you have so much free time.
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05-24-2010 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
Kurto i am not playing this game with you anymore, you can go figure it out yourself since you have so much free time.
Ha. I was just kidding. I just wanted to see you post that you weren't going to do it. Which you do everything you're wrong.
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05-24-2010 , 04:40 PM
I think Splendour, Pletho and Gunth are all the same person.

Why do they all spend so much time discussing religion on an atheist dominated forum? Especially when they're such ridiculously hardcore Christians. I know the reason I'm here is because I'm a lazy SOB and Firefox makes it all too easy to get here. All I have to do is stick "re" in the address bar and it'll pop up with RGT.
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05-24-2010 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Gunth0807
For get about trying to find a contradiction then because like i said i am not putting money on God's Word. If you can't respect that i can care less what you think.
So...winner by forfeit...ME!!!!!!!!!!

This is a nice, convenient excuse for you to not get your ass whipped on Biblical contradictions.

You're so full of crap...excuses everywhere for why you CAN'T defend the stupid garbage you spout.
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