These are not class room text books. I don't know where your from, but in the United States, they do not give these books to students, nor do they teach from them.


I meant they don't go into any detail about the context of the religion whatsoever. And seeing as it is a huge impact on society and societies rules, I think they should discuss what God's Word says about some issues.

Just because you can't remember stuff from 20 years ago, doesn't mean others can't. There are people that can recall what they were doing at any time of day, any day, in their past. In any case i am wrong, why? Oh because zugswang83 says so.

They did not go out of the way to point out the inaccuracies of greek/roman mythology. They defiantly tried to drill every thing they could about it. At least in my classes.

If i heard Jesus brought up in a classroom, i would be able to recall it.

As usual, i am wrong... can you provide anything to back that up? Nvm, go get drunk.

The fact is, it is a huge impact on today's society and kid's ought to be told why. Not all kid's go to Sunday school, i doubt even 25% of kids go to Sunday school.

I refer you to post #56 in this thread.

I already responded, these are not standard text books in the class rooms, and i don't even remember seeing or hearing these books mentioned.

An ape is a classification. Aren't we classified as **** sapians? If not, then how are we not also cacti as you point out? And if that is the case, then why have classifications at all as apparently they have no meaning?

By Religious specifics I do mean more theology type stuff. As far as comparative religion, I don't know that I even think that needs to be taught at the high school on down level. Kinda depends on what it would include.

An ape is any member of the Hominoidea superfamily of primates, including humans. Due to its ambiguous nature, the term ape has been deemphasized in favor of Hominoidea as a means of describing taxonomic relationships.

There are no teachings of Jesus in the public school system in the US. Seperation of church and state?
Even the mentioning of Jesus Christ in a public school by a teacher can have disciplinary ramifications.
Even the term "Christmas break" has been renamed to "Winter break".

There's no way around any of that but it will be fun to see the attempts, subj redirects etc.

The whole point is the Bible has a huge impact in government/social decisions and i think kids should be taught some kind of background on it. What use is greek/roman mythology?

Like i said, there is no separation of church and state in congress, members vote based on their own beliefs/ voters beliefs.

Kids have a better understanding of Saturday Am. cartoons

First of all, in this country people have AMPLE opportunities to learn the Christian version of what "god" says. There are roughly 335,000 churches in the United States, with around 322,000 of those being Protestant or Catholic Christian congregations. That's one Christian church per 93 people. Given that the child population of the country is a little over 24%, that's one church per 22.5 children in this country.

And, Gunth...are you even interested in having reasonable discussions? I don't spend a lot of time in this forum and so I guess this could just be your thing. But just asserting the truth of your own totally-unprovable religious beliefs when trying to have a discussion about civil society is really counter-productive to coming up with solutions that will work for society at-large. Are you so "in it" that you think the United States should be a forcible Christian theocracy?

Even among the religious, you're in a fairly wacko-seeming minority here. I think most Christians can discern the difference between an Israelite purportedly worshipping a false god and a child doing a school project on a long-dead religion. The fact that you can't is why I suggested psychiatric care, and in all sincerity I'd still recommend that to you.

You forgot to suggest meds.

You won't make it as a crybaby who suggests drugs/psych help when you dont like what others have to say if you forget meds.

Making a false idol and worshiping a false idol are two different commandments buddy.

There is no doubt whatsoever that making a sphinx out of a bar of soap is breaking a commandment. I suggest you go study the issue instead of studying ways to insult your fellow man.

Don't take the pills imo.

gunth, can you give a concrete example of something you think should be taught that isnt? something specific...

that way we will all be on the same page...

Melchy is more knowledgeable than I am,and I'm sure his explanation has a better chance of being accurate than any I might give. All I know is you got your...

Kingdom
Phylum
Class
Order
Family
Genus
Species

And then I'm not sure how it works from there. There are your sub species. And I'm not even sure what H.omo is (genus?). With ergaster, erectus, being species? Or are these sub species? You got me curious now. I'll look it up.

Edit: Unless you're Russian Roulette. Then you've got your intergalactic planetary kingdoms, Venetian sub families, alien genus, Dr. Who and Klingon descendants, etc.

And I agreed. The *history* of major religions (including Christianity) should be taught. But that's where it stops. You're certainly not going to teach faith in unsubstantiated scientific claims like Noah's ark as though it were actual history. So what more do you want?

If you want to get nit-picky, the sphinx was overwhelmingly a symbol of ancient Egyptian religion.

If you, as a child, assigned no more deistic power to an image of a sphinx made out of a bar of soap than you would a drawing of Abraham Lincoln, it still isn't clear in what way you'd be violating a commandment. Is it also breaking a commandment for you to make a cross or a fish or a wedding ring? Cause in the age of the Ten Commandments, these were all symbols of Pagan religions that have only after Paul been slowly adapted into Christianity. Should they be abolished? Or isn't it just possible that IF your god exists as an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving being, that he could easily discern one's intentions when clinging to different symbols. You assign more power to an ancient, legalistic book written by people whose understanding of the world is the equivalent of a modern 4-year old than you do the god that book supposedly describes. Even if I were to grant the premise of a Christian god at all (I don't), I'd certainly ask you to do a little digging into the "can't see the forest for the trees" line of thinking.

And this is not an "issue" for me...this is an issue for the legalistically religious. If you want to spend your entire life making sure you dot your I's with regards to a thousands-year-old fantasy with no more relationship to reality than the Greco-Roman religions whose importance you're dissing, then by all means that's up to you.

But our schools are the way they ought to be. Religion is for church, and as I pointed out - there are more than enough of them. And if you have or decide one day to have kids and you want them to have more religious education than they can get in the church you take them to, then feel free to also enroll them in religious school. Public, taxpayer-funded school is for the teaching of provable facts, not dogma. I learned the basics of the Christian church in world history, along with the basics of Judaism and Islam. Public schools going beyond that in a secular, civil society is taking it further than the vast majority of people are comfortable with (unless you limit it to just THEIR religion, and then they're fine with more - which is part of why we have the laws we have, so one group isn't marginalized as compared to another).

If you respond to this, respond to everything. Don't just pick out one line, ignore everything else, continue to assert the same things that have already been answered, and expect to have any meaningful discussion. If you want to debate, let's do it for real...quit ignoring the bulk of a post and cherry-picking just the part you want to respond to.

All this thread shows is that Gunth doesn't understand the difference between "religious history" and "religious doctrine."

I don't care to discuss with you because you are an angry hater who insults people over the internet. But i will not let this one slide:

Oh really....

What happens to the sinner in this case ? Thank G_od i melted the evidence as a kid.

Duh, i did it in the tub so i baptised myself immediately after destroying earthly evidence. whew

Evolution on this planet is only a theory when it comes to our ENTIRE genetic makeup.

God and/or Aliens are 2 very distinct possibilities

I think all religious background should be discussed a lot more than it is now. I mean there are wars over this and i think every citizen should know why. And like i said, a lot of decisions in Congress are made because of beliefs in God's Word, and kids should know why these people take God's Word into consideration when making social decisions.