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11-30-2011 , 12:45 AM
I have always observed that religious people tend to have more of an external locus of control, and that non-religious people tend to have more of an internal locus of control.

I'll keep it simple for those who don't know: Internal = you blame yourself for everything in your life, external = you blame others/the world/variance for everything in your life.

Now. There's thousands of studies in psychology and sociology out there, that conclusively demonstrate that people with a higher internal locus of control are on average - more successful, happier, and oddly enough - more innovative/entrepreneurial.

The reason I bring all of this up, is that I have found a recent study that validates my long-standing hypothesis - that religious people have an external locus of control - and that as a result of this, their potential for personal and professional development, takes a significant hit.

Findings from a new study in the Sociology of Religion journal have now begun to substantiate my hypothesis:
http://socrel.oxfordjournals.org/con...l.srr035.short

A long tradition of discourse has contended that religion may impede the cultivation of a sense of personal control, as well as other facets of psychosocial competence. Religious beliefs and worldviews have occupied a prominent place in this discourse. In particular, the types of religious worldviews associated with conservative and fundamentalist religious groups have been regarded as particularly problematic in this regard (Freud [1927] 1961; Fromm 1960). For example, such faith traditions often teach adherents to rely on sacred texts or other religious sources of truth and comfort, and these doctrines sometimes breed suspicion toward, and insularity from, secular knowledge. According to critics, these religious cultures may: (1) promote cognitive rigidity and intellectual inflexibility, (2) devalue the role of reasoning and intellectual effort in solving problems or finding solutions to challenges, and (3) discourage activities that might build a sense of confidence in one’s own capacities (Adorno et al. 1950; Rokeach 1960; Webster and Stewart 1973). Our findings appear broadly consistent with this line of argument, as persons who endorse the doctrine of biblical literalism—a key tenet of conservative Protestantism—tend to have somewhat lower levels of control than others.

Another longstanding focus of criticism has been the doctrine of original sin. Some psychologists have maintained that notions of human sinfulness can undermine the sense of control by: (1) fostering feelings of hopelessness; (2) promoting feelings of guilt and other unproductive emotions; and (3) diverting attention and energy from more productive thoughts and activities through which one could resolve difficulties and develop personal confidence (Branden 1969, 1983). The late Albert Ellis, the founder of Rational Emotive Therapy, was a particularly vociferous critic of the doctrine of original sin (Ellis 1962, 1983). Here, too, our findings lend credence to some of these concerns: Support for the view that human nature is fundamentally sinful is associated with a lower level of personal control in our data.


I'd like to know if anyone else here finds this research avenue interesting, and what you all think about the results here, and potential future research...?
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11-30-2011 , 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by VeeDDzz`
I have always observed that religious people tend to have more of an external locus of control, and that non-religious people tend to have more of an internal locus of control.

I'll keep it simple for those who don't know: Internal = you blame yourself for everything in your life, external = you blame others/the world/variance for everything in your life.
Eh, I don't know

Most non-religious are liberal or very liberal, and most very-religious are conservative or very conservative.

Conservatives seem to have an internal locus of control, and liberals an external locus of control.

When these beliefs are expressed politically, it just doesn't jive with what you proposed.
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11-30-2011 , 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Doggg
Eh, I don't know

Most non-religious are liberal or very liberal, and most very-religious are conservative or very conservative.

Conservatives seem to have an internal locus of control, and liberals an external locus of control.

When these beliefs are expressed politically, it just doesn't jive with what you proposed.
I don't see any connection between how liberal one is, and whether their locus of control is internal/external, and I'm very doubtful that any such relationship has been established in the literature. Nonetheless....

Why do you think that liberals have an external locus of control? and conservatives have an internal one?
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11-30-2011 , 01:18 AM
It almost seems self-evident to me.



Someone who favors less government, more freedom to fail-- is perhaps guilty only of being hyper-optimistic.

Someone who favors a big, embracing government wants compensation for personal failure.

If I am the only one to blame if I fail, I'm just more likely to want more freedom to fail, and less of that security blanket.

If all kinds of elements can cause my demise (that are beyond my control), I am more likely to demand those layers of security.
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11-30-2011 , 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by VeeDDzz`
I have always observed that religious people tend to have more of an external locus of control, and that non-religious people tend to have more of an internal locus of control.
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A couple of initial comments:

First, the essay was actually pretty mixed about how religion or religiosity contributed to a sense of control. While it noted some ways in which it was negatively correlated, it also mentioned some aspects of religion (such as the belief in the afterlife and in prayer for health) that were positively correlated.

Second, I suspect that some beliefs usually associated with being non-religious, such as a rejection of free-will, actually have a negative effect on control.
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11-30-2011 , 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by VeeDDzz`
I have always observed that religious people tend to have more of an external locus of control, and that non-religious people tend to have more of an internal locus of control.

I'll keep it simple for those who don't know: Internal = you blame yourself for everything in your life, external = you blame others/the world/variance for everything in your life.

Now. There's thousands of studies in psychology and sociology out there, that conclusively demonstrate that people with a higher internal locus of control are on average - more successful, happier, and oddly enough - more innovative/entrepreneurial.

The reason I bring all of this up, is that I have found a recent study that validates my long-standing hypothesis - that religious people have an external locus of control - and that as a result of this, their potential for personal and professional development, takes a significant hit.

Findings from a new study in the Sociology of Religion journal have now begun to substantiate my hypothesis:
http://socrel.oxfordjournals.org/con...l.srr035.short

A long tradition of discourse has contended that religion may impede the cultivation of a sense of personal control, as well as other facets of psychosocial competence. Religious beliefs and worldviews have occupied a prominent place in this discourse. In particular, the types of religious worldviews associated with conservative and fundamentalist religious groups have been regarded as particularly problematic in this regard (Freud [1927] 1961; Fromm 1960). For example, such faith traditions often teach adherents to rely on sacred texts or other religious sources of truth and comfort, and these doctrines sometimes breed suspicion toward, and insularity from, secular knowledge. According to critics, these religious cultures may: (1) promote cognitive rigidity and intellectual inflexibility, (2) devalue the role of reasoning and intellectual effort in solving problems or finding solutions to challenges, and (3) discourage activities that might build a sense of confidence in one’s own capacities (Adorno et al. 1950; Rokeach 1960; Webster and Stewart 1973). Our findings appear broadly consistent with this line of argument, as persons who endorse the doctrine of biblical literalism—a key tenet of conservative Protestantism—tend to have somewhat lower levels of control than others.

Another longstanding focus of criticism has been the doctrine of original sin. Some psychologists have maintained that notions of human sinfulness can undermine the sense of control by: (1) fostering feelings of hopelessness; (2) promoting feelings of guilt and other unproductive emotions; and (3) diverting attention and energy from more productive thoughts and activities through which one could resolve difficulties and develop personal confidence (Branden 1969, 1983). The late Albert Ellis, the founder of Rational Emotive Therapy, was a particularly vociferous critic of the doctrine of original sin (Ellis 1962, 1983). Here, too, our findings lend credence to some of these concerns: Support for the view that human nature is fundamentally sinful is associated with a lower level of personal control in our data.


I'd like to know if anyone else here finds this research avenue interesting, and what you all think about the results here, and potential future research...?
Outside looking in views never equal inside looking out.
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11-30-2011 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Doggg
It almost seems self-evident to me.



Someone who favors less government, more freedom to fail-- is perhaps guilty only of being hyper-optimistic.

Someone who favors a big, embracing government wants compensation for personal failure.

If I am the only one to blame if I fail, I'm just more likely to want more freedom to fail, and less of that security blanket.

If all kinds of elements can cause my demise (that are beyond my control), I am more likely to demand those layers of security.
There's much more attached to the categorization of 'liberal' and 'conservative' than strictly one single factor of - level of government influence on one's life.

If you were to draft a legitimate hypothesis regarding a relationship between one's political ideology and one's locus of control, you would need to take all of the other factors that affect your hypothesized relationship into account as well - e.g. views on social policy, economic policy and foreign policy that all comprise a particular political ideology.
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12-01-2011 , 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Doggg
It almost seems self-evident to me.



Someone who favors less government, more freedom to fail-- is perhaps guilty only of being hyper-optimistic.

Someone who favors a big, embracing government wants compensation for personal failure.

If I am the only one to blame if I fail, I'm just more likely to want more freedom to fail, and less of that security blanket.

If all kinds of elements can cause my demise (that are beyond my control), I am more likely to demand those layers of security.
This is an inaccurate description of liberal and conservative. Both ideologies favor strong government in some areas and weak in others.
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12-01-2011 , 04:08 AM
I think doggg has a legitimate point even if it isn't a complete characterization of the political spectrum. Often the right is much more "personal responsibility" focused wanting downtrodden people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps while the left believes suffering is the responsibility of society and of government to swoop in and fix the problems through social programs. That there is an identification of the right with being inward focused and the left with outward focused in this context seems natural.
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12-01-2011 , 06:00 AM
My intuition would tell me it's the opposite also.
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12-01-2011 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by CompleteDegen
This is an inaccurate description of liberal and conservative. Both ideologies favor strong government in some areas and weak in others.
I think you are thinking in terms of republicans and democrats, and not in terms of conservatives and liberals.
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12-08-2011 , 06:04 AM
I strongly agree about external locus of control in religious people, because I was very religious once.
Then I read about shifting to internal locus of control in a self-help book. That alone helped me a lot.
Coupled with a few books by egoists, I converted to atheism. Good find, important study, imo. Results don't surprise me at all.
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12-08-2011 , 10:53 PM
The older I got the more I realized how little I can control.
Yes that is interesting that Psychology does not acknowledge sin.
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