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Which religions are the most obviously man-made to you? Which religions are the most obviously man-made to you?

09-08-2011 , 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Turn Prophet
All of them. But I give a little more of a pass for religions pre-1500 or so, when the human conception of the universe was quite different. Scientology, Mormonism, Seventh Day Adventism... these are popular cults at best.
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09-08-2011 , 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by twofingerted
Will you relax...

It's what I believe; if they are offended by it then that's their problem. It doesn't offend me that they don't believe in Islam. Does it offend you that I believe strongly in my own religion bc it sure seems like it does?
Risking feeling silly later if it's confirmed that you're a troll, I'll respond seriously.

Then why the hell do YOU get offended when people make jokes about Islam? They believe it's a sham and it's ridiculous and there is a good potential for fun in it. Why do you want people to be banned over it?
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09-08-2011 , 02:51 AM
Can't complain converting to Judaism. Average bar mitzhah presents worth in total = $25000! Holy cow Batmanberg!
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09-08-2011 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by la6ki
Risking feeling silly later if it's confirmed that you're a troll, I'll respond seriously.

Then why the hell do YOU get offended when people make jokes about Islam? They believe it's a sham and it's ridiculous and there is a good potential for fun in it. Why do you want people to be banned over it?
I dont mind jokes about Islam. "Team America" is one of my favorite movies. I am, however, offended when those jokes are meant to be slanderous/ derogatory. He used the joke as a way of masking a personal attack and not as comedy. I'm assuming thats why he was banned.
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09-08-2011 , 12:59 PM
I started a religion (man made):

Heres how we do:

1. Eat Club Sanwiches
2. Take a Nap
3. Repeat

I'm still looking for a name for it but Its gonna be huge!
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09-08-2011 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by monkeylump
I started a religion (man made):

Heres how we do:

1. Eat Club Sanwiches
2. Take a Nap
3. Repeat

I'm still looking for a name for it but Its gonna be huge!
Napsterfarians
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09-08-2011 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by VP$IP
Napsterfarians
Not sure if this really rings my bell. It needs to be catchy so we can make alot of money. Know what I'm saying?
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09-08-2011 , 02:06 PM
The most money is to be had by piggy backing off Christianity.
Joel 2:28
your old men will dream dreams
your young men will see visions
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Dreams

Ask the faithful to describe their dreams.
Tell them that their dream is really a revelation from God.
Tell them that they are "special". Especially if they are rich or "hot".
Wet dreams earn extra points.
Start compiling a "Newer Testament"
Profit.
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09-10-2011 , 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by VP$IP
Which religions, denominations, or sects are the most obviously man-made to you? With falsified revelations from god, or deceptive or manipulative doctrines, or false "divinely inspired by god" writings.
Every. Single. One.

Scientology springs to mind as the most egregious example but only because it's recent enough that the evidence is widely available.
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09-10-2011 , 07:06 PM
all of them. scientology and mormonism are the most obvious ones only because they sprung up most recently.
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09-10-2011 , 08:44 PM
Whichever one this guy was practicing ...

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09-11-2011 , 08:27 AM
The Unification Church and Order of the Solar Temple are two that haven't been mentioned yet. There was also an offshoot of The Unification Church that was essentially created so the founder could have sex with minors, but the name escapes me at the moment.

Oh, and Hinduism. A lot of people forget that a lot of other people still take that one seriously.
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09-11-2011 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Deorum
Oh, and Hinduism. A lot of people forget that a lot of other people still take that one seriously.
In a very real sense you're correct, given that the British largely lumped an enormous number of local religious practices and diverse beliefs into the rubric of a single religion, since that's what they could most readily understand. Most of the major texts of "Hinduism" were promoted by colonials trying to make Indians understand they needed their own equivalent sacred text to the Bible. Not to say these weren't important and widely read before, but there wasn't anything like a "Theology" that the colonials clearly wanted to understand. What constitutes Hinduism is a very hazy affair.
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09-12-2011 , 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by la6ki
And I am putting Islam on the top of the list.
Any special reason, or just preference?
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09-12-2011 , 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Hardball47
Any special reason, or just preference?
Of course it's not an arbitrary preference. From the religions I am most familiar with, Islam to me is the most obvious one which is created by Mohammad and for Mohammad.

And just so you know, I am sufficiently familiar with Islam. I am not just pissed at the radical fundamentalists that I see on TV. I have lived almost half my life in a Muslim country, I have read the Qur'an, had discussions with Muslims who have read or not read the Qur'an, and so on. My judgment is based good amounts of knowledge, not on some preferences I pulled out of my ass.
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09-12-2011 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by la6ki
Of course it's not an arbitrary preference. From the religions I am most familiar with, Islam to me is the most obvious one which is created by Mohammad and for Mohammad.

And just so you know, I am sufficiently familiar with Islam. I am not just pissed at the radical fundamentalists that I see on TV. I have lived almost half my life in a Muslim country, I have read the Qur'an, had discussions with Muslims who have read or not read the Qur'an, and so on. My judgment is based good amounts of knowledge, not on some preferences I pulled out of my ass.
OK, let's delve into this a bit further. Why do you think this?
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09-12-2011 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Hardball47
OK, let's delve into this a bit further. Why do you think this?
First, let me point out that this thread is about personal perception of religions. I am going to only explain why my personal perception of Islam is what it is. I don't think that what I am going to present here is anything like formal proof that Islam is man-made. I don't think such proofs are possible for any religion.

Second, don't get me wrong. As many others have said ITT, I also think all religions are obviously man-made. Islam is comparatively more man-made to me, simply because many things are so transparent and it seems really obvious.

Now, let's get to the issue:

1. At so many places in the Qur'an there are things like this:

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Those who deny the Truth say: "This Al-Furqan (The Qur'an) is but a forgery which he (Muhammad) himself has devised and some other people have helped him." Unjust is what they do and falsehood is what they utter
Apparently many people were accusing Mohammad of writing the Qur'an himself. That by itself is going against the claims of Muslims that it is such a unique book, such an inimitable style, etc., that only Allah could have written it. Obviously, it didn't seem so unique to even Mohammad's contemporaries. And this also addresses the criticism of "you can't fully understand it, unless you read it in Arabic". Those people were all Arabs.

2. Some verses specifically designed for Mohammad himself that don't seem to have any benefit for Muslims in general. It seems very strange that such verses would be included in a book which is supposed to inform Muslims for (at least) thousands of years from when it is sent.

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Those of you (O wives of the Prophet Muhammad) who obey Allah and His Messenger and practice righteousness, shall be granted double reward, and for them We have prepared a generous provision. O wives of the Prophet! You are not like the other women
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O Prophet! We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have given their dowers;

...and those ladies whom your right hands possess (from the prisoners of war) whom Allah has assigned to you; and the daughters of your paternal uncles and aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and aunts, who have migrated with you; and the believing woman who gave herself to the Prophet if the Prophet desires to marry her - this permission is only for you and not for the other believers;
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O believers! Do not enter the houses of the Prophet without permission, nor stay waiting for meal time: but if you are invited to a meal, enter, and when you have eaten disperse and do not seek long conversation. Such behavior annoys the Prophet, he feels shy in asking you to leave, but Allah does not feel shy in telling the truth.
(think about how much the poor guy must have been annoyed by those intruders to resort to writing verses in the QUR'AN to save himself from them! lol)

Okay, I think I'll stop here. Curious to here your comments.
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09-13-2011 , 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by la6ki
Curious to here your comments.
Oh, I have no comment. I just wanted to hear your reasons, that's all.
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09-13-2011 , 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Hardball47
Oh, I have no comment. I just wanted to hear your reasons, that's all.
Wow. Those reasons were way better than I expected

There is a lot more, btw. What I gave here is just the tip :P
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