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Jesus said "Synagogue of Satan" in the New Testament. Oh noes. Ban the New Testament.

The Ukrainians who made up most of the staff in the camps didn't like Jews because of the Holomodor. No need to blame Christianity for everything.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazar_K..._for_Holodomor

Regardless of what the bible actually says it has been used, specifically John and Luke, as a tool for anti-semitism.

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08-05-2010 , 04:50 PM

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Regardless of what the bible actually says it has been used, specifically John and Luke, as a tool for anti-semitism.

Baseball bats have been used to beat children to death.

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08-05-2010 , 04:57 PM

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Baseball bats have been used to beat children to death.

Thats kind of my point. Sometimes the bible is dangerous.

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08-05-2010 , 06:05 PM

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Is this the religion forum or the anti-religion forum? How could one even argue that a religion like Christianity has not been a force for good in this world?

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08-05-2010 , 06:44 PM

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Is this the religion forum or the anti-religion forum? How could one even argue that a religion like Christianity has not been a force for good in this world?

That avatar is showing to much skin. Could you please change it to something more appropriate were the neckline is covered.

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Thats kind of my point. Sometimes the bible is dangerous.

And people have drowned too. Ban water IMO

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08-05-2010 , 06:52 PM

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And people have drowned too. Ban water IMO

Who said anything about banning it? Thats more of a theist thing banning the books they think cause harm. You know like huck finn.

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08-05-2010 , 09:27 PM

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Exactly, I don't think anyone here implied banning religion. From what I could tell, the OP's point was that religious institutions should not receive tax exempt status, and that is something that I think should be seriously looked into. The epidemic of mega churches and money corrupt ****ing representatives of the church in our country is appalling.

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08-05-2010 , 11:26 PM

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I do think that Atheism is the most logical religion ...

*grunch

1. Atheism is not a religion.

2. Atheism is also not logical, IMO. Furthermore, I believe that atheism is the only major worldview that has literally has no explanatory power. (That is, I don't think that atheism answers any philosophical questions.)

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08-05-2010 , 11:30 PM

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Religions, specifically the religious organisations, are the cause of all prejudice and discrimination, yes.

Got it; no atheist has ever discriminated against anybody. Brilliant post.

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08-05-2010 , 11:34 PM

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I'm cool with some religions. Buddhism is fine. Wicca. Neopaganism and what not.

I do think that Atheism is the most logical religion ...

If you think Buddhism is any better than Christianity, you're just ignorant. I live in South Korea currently, and buddhists do just as much converting, dogma spreading, etc.

Or do you just not seperate "Christianity" from "Right wing replublican agenda"?

Edit: Note that I personally don't hate Buddhists or Christians, but if I did hate Christians, all the same reasons would easily apply to buddhism.

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08-06-2010 , 12:53 AM

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I don't hate all religion equally. I pretty much hate christiainty more than anything in this world, and all other religions combined don't even come close to getting the same amount of hatred from me imo.

I'm cool with some religions. Buddhism is fine. Wicca. Neopaganism and what not.

I do think that Atheism is the most logical religion ...

I think that if you lived in a majority Buddhist society you would hate Buddhism. If you lived in an Islamic society you would hate Islam.

Your post screams I'm mad at my Daddy

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08-06-2010 , 09:31 AM

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2. Atheism is also not logical, IMO. Furthermore, I believe that atheism is the only major worldview that has literally has no explanatory power. (That is, I don't think that atheism answers any philosophical questions.)

The only way not believing in a god isn't logical, is if it's either impossible or there's a really good argument for a god existing.

Come back to me when you show me one.

And yes, if you induce the "magical sky fairy" clause, you can explain just about anything. That doesn't make it logical.

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08-06-2010 , 04:26 PM

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I don't believe in the "magical sky fairy", but I do believe in God.

Please give me a philosophical problem that can only be uniquely answered by atheism (other than "Is there a God?").

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08-06-2010 , 04:33 PM

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*grunch

1. Atheism is not a religion.

agreed

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2. Atheism is also not logical, IMO.

well i'm glad you put "IMO" because you're wrong. And I assume your explanation is some kind of argument from ignorance, which is just not an argument. But there are also plenty of threads in RGT about this subject, in fact I think there are a couple on the first page.

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Furthermore, I believe that atheism is the only major worldview that has literally has no explanatory power.

agreed. but Atheism isn't attempting to explain anything, it is merely a lack in belief in a god. Your sentence is the logical equivalent to "I don't like pineapples because they don't explain why birds migrate south in the winter."

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(That is, I don't think that atheism answers any philosophical questions.)

agreed again. But Atheism doesn't try to answer any philosophical questions. It is just a lack in belief in a deity.

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08-06-2010 , 05:45 PM

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agreed

well i'm glad you put "IMO" because you're wrong. And I assume your explanation is some kind of argument from ignorance, which is just not an argument. But there are also plenty of threads in RGT about this subject, in fact I think there are a couple on the first page.

agreed. but Atheism isn't attempting to explain anything, it is merely a lack in belief in a god. Your sentence is the logical equivalent to "I don't like pineapples because they don't explain why birds migrate south in the winter."

agreed again. But Atheism doesn't try to answer any philosophical questions. It is just a lack in belief in a deity.

I agree with all of your points if you agree that atheism is not a worldview. The purpose of a worldview is to answer the basic philosophical questions, so if atheism doesn't answer any, then it's not a worldview at all.

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08-06-2010 , 06:08 PM

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I am an atheist and I agree that atheism is not a worldview. It's just a claim (frankly, it's really not even a claim, it's the rejection of a claim). Of course, there are plenty of other beliefs that atheists can hold (and tend to hold) that make up their own worldview, which often is very similar to other atheists' worldviews.

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08-06-2010 , 06:26 PM

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most atheists would agree with this. its the theists (especially those on this board) who dont and try to claim that atheism is both a worldview and a religion.

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08-06-2010 , 09:17 PM

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most atheists would agree with this. its the theists (especially those on this board) who dont and try to claim that atheism is both a worldview and a religion.

no, we argue that it can be.

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08-06-2010 , 09:35 PM

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Please give me a philosophical problem that can only be uniquely answered by atheism (other than "Is there a God?").

No.

That also doesn't seem to have anything to do with "lack of belief in gods being illogical".

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08-06-2010 , 10:41 PM

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If i had created it as an OP it would have been on that point. The thread is a rip from another that got a bit off track, but the quoted posts by Lirva cover most of the detail.

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Got it; no atheist has ever discriminated against anybody. Brilliant post.

I wrote:

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Religions, specifically the religious organisations, are the cause of all prejudice and discrimination, yes.

I should have wrote:

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Religions, specifically the religious organisations, are the cause of the majority of prejudice and discrimination, yes.

Again, if i had been drafting an OP id have made this point clearer and less definitive. Of course there are exceptions, but less than many would think given people's viewpoints are formed from their environment of experience; so even atheists can be prejudiced by the views of religions indirectly even if they differ on the big things.

Ie, "there is no god, but i agree gays are weird".

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08-07-2010 , 02:34 AM

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no, we argue that it can be.

How though? Any worldview held by an atheists outside of non belief in God isn't atheism. Could you give an example of a worldview that is atheistic so i can try to get what you mean?

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08-07-2010 , 12:20 PM

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How though? Any worldview held by an atheists outside of non belief in God isn't atheism. Could you give an example of a worldview that is atheistic so i can try to get what you mean?

Atheism can, and is for some, the affirmation that a god does not exist. For many they might not take such an absolute stance as that, but relegate the possibility of god so low that it is really an indistinguishable view from the former.

So all though you might call your self an atheist for a lack of belief, that is not necessarily true for all.

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08-07-2010 , 12:58 PM

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Even if we say all atheists are strong atheists and they say there is absolutely no God/creator. I still dont see how that alone makes a worldview. I agree with you when you say that view takes faith but i just dont see it as a worldview form what i understand worldviews are.

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08-07-2010 , 01:19 PM

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From Wiki,

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A comprehensive world view (or worldview) is the fundamental cognitive orientation of an individual or society encompassing natural philosophy, fundamental existential and normative postulates or themes, values, emotions, and ethics.[1] The term is a calque of German Weltanschauung [ˈvɛlt.ʔanˌʃaʊ.ʊŋ] ( listen), composed of Welt, 'world', and Anschauung, 'view' or 'outlook'. It is a concept fundamental to German philosophy and epistemology and refers to a wide world perception. Additionally, it refers to the framework of ideas and beliefs through which an individual interprets the world and interacts with it.

The way that I see it, the God no-God question is so important and fundamental that which ever one chooses (I use that loosely), is ultimately the way in which that person views everything else. In other words, majority of beliefs that one has is going to be influenced through the God/no-god goggles.

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