Religion and Republicans - Page 7 - Religion, God, and Theology

I am not now, nor have I ever been, married.

I don't even know what you mean by "enslave in marriage", but at this point I don't care.

Since this is all just apparently fun and games for you, I won't engage you any further.

I believe I have made a good-faith effort to engage you. In my opinion, you have not done the same.

I will not respond to any of your posts any more, but I will read them.

I will be praying for you.

May peace be with you.

Holy ****, did you short circuit? Well, that's not good, who is going to be vice president now?

But seriously, I appreciate the prayers. Peace be upon you, too, brother.

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09-25-2019 , 08:40 PM

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d2_e4

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Here you go, lagtight. Took 10 seconds on Google

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_...unding_Fathers

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the largest group consisted of founders who retained Christian loyalties and practice but were influenced by Deism. They believed in little or none of the miracles and supernaturalism inherent in the Judeo-Christian tradition. Holmes finds a spectrum of such Deistic Christians among the founders, ranging from John Adams and George Washington on the conservative right to Benjamin Franklin and James Monroe on the skeptical left.

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09-25-2019 , 09:48 PM

#153

lagtight

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Originally Posted by Aaron W.

Nah. I just find your posting to be childish and not really worth my time. My position is that if you want to criticize YEC, you should criticize YEC. There are other aspects of theology that may or may not be consistent with the view you're attempting to espouse, as they are not necessarily tied to YEC.

So now I'm just shrugging you off. You had your chance. You proved that you have not changed over the last few years in your posting integrity

I finally came to the same conclusion. I love engaging people who want to have a serious conversation, but it was becoming obvious that our friend wasn't interested in that.

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09-25-2019 , 10:00 PM

#154

d2_e4

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Originally Posted by lagtight

I finally came to the same conclusion. I love engaging people who want to have a serious conversation, but it was becoming obvious that our friend wasn't interested in that.

The intricacies of language are quite amusing, don't you find. People you don't like, you call "buddy", "bro", "friend". People you do like you call, well, names that are not suitable for this board.

I find language a wonderful and amazing thing. English is not my first language, actually, but I have been speaking it deliciously since I were merely twice.

Seriously, bro chill the **** out. You seem pretty highly strung. Have a drink. If you end up in AA, you'll be fine, it's a pseudo-religious organisation anyway.

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09-25-2019 , 10:09 PM

#155

d2_e4

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Originally Posted by lagtight

I finally came to the same conclusion. I love engaging people who want to have a serious conversation, but it was becoming obvious that our friend wasn't interested in that.

Dude, try and get some pussy instead of crying yourself to sleep while masturbating into your bible every night. That might relieve some of the stress you are currently experiencing.

And yeah, I'll probably eat a ban for this. Gg guys, was never that much fun talking to a bunch of repressed idiots anyway. Aaron - always had a soft spot though, you are the unicorn, a smart religious guy. Shame you choose to just go about bloviating instead of putting your intelligence to better use. You are the paragon of someone who loves the sound of his own voice just a little bit too much.

Peace, bros. Hope you find it in life.

Out.

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09-26-2019 , 01:40 PM

#156

Aaron W.

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Here's a recently published article that looks at the rise of the religiously unaffiliated. His presentation claims that one of the things that has precipitated this outcome was the connection between the Religious Right (1970s the movement) and Republicans.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...ion-us/598843/

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This story begins with the rise of the religious right in the 1970s. Alarmed by the spread of secular culture—including but not limited to the sexual revolution, the Roe v. Wade decision, the nationalization of no-fault divorce laws, and Bob Jones University losing its tax-exempt status over its ban on interracial dating—Christians became more politically active. The GOP welcomed them with open arms. The party, which was becoming more dependent on its exurban-white base, needed a grassroots strategy and a policy platform. Within the next decade, the religious right—including Ralph Reed’s Christian Coalition, James Dobson’s Focus on the Family, and Jerry Falwell’s Moral Majority—had become the Republicans’ organizing and fundraising powerhouse. In 1980, the GOP social platform was a facsimile of conservative Christian views on sexuality, abortion, and school prayer.

But the marriage between the religious and political right disgusted liberal Democrats with weak connections to the Church. It also shocked the conscience of moderates, who preferred a wide berth between their faith and their politics. Smith said it’s possible that young liberals and loosely affiliated Christians first registered their aversion to the Christian right in the early 1990s, after a decade of observing its powerful role in conservative politics.

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09-26-2019 , 04:29 PM

#157

bwslim69

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Originally Posted by Aaron W.

Pretty good read. Nothing particularly groundbreaking but summarizes all of the likely reasons. I thought this was particularly telling:

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Second, it may have felt unpatriotic to confess one’s ambivalence toward God while the U.S. was locked in a geopolitical showdown with a godless Evil Empire. In 1991, however, the Cold War ended. As the U.S.S.R. dissolved, so did atheism’s association with America’s nemesis. After that, “nones” could be forthright about their religious indifference, without worrying that it made them sound like Soviet apologists.

I also think the internet has added to the rise of atheism...realizing there are others out there thinking like you, easier to find atheist books, etc. At least that is what helped me.

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09-28-2019 , 01:21 AM

#158

d2_e4

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Originally Posted by bwslim69

Pretty good read. Nothing particularly groundbreaking but summarizes all of the likely reasons. I thought this was particularly telling:

I also think the internet has added to the rise of atheism...realizing there are others out there thinking like you, easier to find atheist books, etc. At least that is what helped me.

Since nobody responded to this, I'll come out of retirement, one time.

It's a great quote. I'm actually Russian, but not a big fan of my own counterymen. It's a good quote.

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09-28-2019 , 01:25 AM

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d2_e4

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Originally Posted by Aaron W.

[Presumably, you mean "more people identify as atheist or agnostic...]

Yes, the rise of the "religious nones" has been a problem for Republicans. Part of the underlying issue was the tie between Republicanism and social conservatism, where that social conservatism was originally due to the actual Religious Right movement. The underlying logic/philosophy of contemporary social conservatism is the Bible. There are not (were not?) any secular arguments to be made in that direction.

So yes, there was distrust thrown in the direction of atheists, and there was a religious litmus test for many people seeking office. A lot of those people are now in the older voting bloc, which means that they're (1) not changing their views and (2) voting at a higher frequency than other groups. So yes, that's a big problem.

So Aaron, I went for an interview the other day. Dude says to me "what do you think is your worst quality?"

Hard question, so I thought about it for a while, eventually, I said "probably that I'm too honest"

He said "I don't think that's a bad quality"

I responded "I don't give a f/uck what you think"

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